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A few hours ago I was talking with someone at a local record shop, and this person expressed concern that with JT getting help for his panic/anxiety attacks his music would suffer.

 

I am just dumfounded. The sentiment is absurd (as if pain and sufferring were the essential and ineliminable ingredient in JT's wonderful music, or any art). I am confident that I'm preaching to the choir, but I am really just at a loss.

 

Along the same lines, I was listening to the "Hotel S 'n S" shows today and was really struck by the anxiety continually expressed throughout the same by JT. It brigns to mind some shows where his expressions of anxiety and pre-show panic are met with an odd laughter. Am I alone in sometimes feeling a bit...guilty listening to those shows? Or, maybe I am just being overly sensitive here. Thanks for letting me share

 

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A few hours ago I was talking with someone at a local record shop, and this person expressed concern that with JT getting help for his panic/anxiety attacks his music would suffer.

 

I am just dumfounded. The sentiment is absurd (as if pain and sufferring were the essential and ineliminable ingredient in JT's wonderful music, or any art). I am confident that I'm preaching to the choir, but I am really just at a loss.

The sentiment may be absurd (worrying more about someone's music than his health), but I don't think the idea that art is born of pain is absurd at all. History has shown that often the two are inextricably linked. Sure, it's possible to have great art without great pain and suffering, but pain often seems to push people to their creative peaks.

 

Personally, I would rather see Jeff healthy and sane and writing crap songs than continuing to suffer while putting out great music. I'm not saying that I think his songwriting necessarily will suffer because he feels better -- I doubt it will, and I sure hope it doesn't -- but I don't care if it does, because it's more important for him to be healthy than for us to keep enjoying his music.

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If the new songs are any indication of what he is writing drug-free, then I am happy that Jeff has kicked his habits. The new songs are incredible and get better each night. I feel that the next wilco album will be the best one.

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it's more important for him to be healthy than for us to keep enjoying his music.

Amen to that :yes It does seem rather odd that one feels most inspired when things are at a low ebb,doesn't it?? Doesn't necessarily have to be that way...as Jerry Garcia was quoted as saying"I'm more interested in what can be created from pure joy"

(of course,he was a stone cold junkie for most of his last 20 yrs. on the planet :no ...talk about a walking contradiction)

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Amen to that :yes It does seem rather odd that one feels most inspired when things are at a low ebb,doesn't it??

 

I agree, it's just that being a human being raises so very many problems in and of itself that you don't necessarilly need have to have a chemical imbalance or behavioral disorder to feel pain!

 

In our best moments, perhaps we are all philosophcial manic-depressives: we take some manner of joy in seeing our sitatuion as it really is (warts and all), yet this produces anxiety and pain in itself.

 

Nietzsche said it best: it is only as an aesthetic phenomena that life can be either tolerated or justified. Whatever that means...

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While I applaud Jeff and his health, the track record is against him. Billy Joel, Elton John, Eric Clapton, James Taylor are just a few that I can name who have gotten "clean" and their music was not nearly as good as what it was when they where on drugs/mental issues.

 

Now with that being said, I feel Jeff's music will be better than before. He has one thing that they do not, a kick ass band/group. People tend to forget that Jeff Tweedy is a member of a Wilco. He is the driving force "front man" but it sounds like the songs they are working on now are a true collaberate effort. I saw Wilco at Summerfest this year and I say it was the best I have seen Jeff and the best togetherness by the band I have seen in several years.

 

Hopefully Jeff can reverse the notion that after you kick drugs/mental problems you art suffers. I think he can.

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While I applaud Jeff and his health, the track record is against him. Billy Joel, Elton John, Eric Clapton, James Taylor are just a few that I can name who have gotten "clean" and their music was not nearly as good as what it was when they where on drugs/mental issues.

 

Those guys all started to suck way before they got their personal issues in order.

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I think every artist draws their inspiration from somewhere different. Despite the archetypal image of the tortured artist, there have also been some pretty great artists who were perfectly content. There's certainly some truth to the assertion that some artists need pain and dispair to do something great, but I don't think that that's universal.

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I think every artist draws their inspiration from somewhere different. Despite the archetypal image of the tortured artist, there have also been some pretty great artists who were perfectly content. There's certainly some truth to the assertion that some artists need pain and dispair to do something great, but I don't think that that's universal.

 

Paul McCartney wrote some beautiful music while happy and content with the love of his life, Linda McCartney. I certainly hope that Paul's early life continues to be inspirational to JT.

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Paul McCartney wrote some beautiful music while happy and content with the love of his life, Linda McCartney. I certainly hope that Paul's early life continues to be inspirational to JT.

 

But Paul had a pretty crappy early life, didn't he? His mom died when he was like, 4 or 5. I think he might have had a brother who died.

 

His dead mother visiting him in a dream inspired him to write "Let It Be".

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billie is a genious in his own right. though i expected a reaction like that from a wilco fan. i hate the eyeshadow too.

Nice stereotyping. :rolleyes

 

I don't have anything against Green Day in general or Armstrong or particular, but his songwriting is merely average, and he's not someone I'd ever enshrine among "the most geniously [sic] expressive musicians."

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Well, its true that some of the most moving art is born out of desperation. Frequently that's what people are drawn to--the unique specticle of an individual opening himself up when he is at his most vulnerable and desperate. Is that healthy? Probably not, but it doesn't make it untrue. Hoping somebody remains unhealthy, tho, because you want to hear a certain type of art created by them--ummm, that's kind of disturbing. :ermm

 

Having suffered w/ a panic disorder msyelf, I applaud Jeff if he is indeed as healthy as he seems to be these days. Keep it up, bro! :dancing

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I'm not sure that a panic disorder would ever contribute to creativity. That seems like an odd link. However, there have been many studies done espousing a great link between manic depression and creativity.

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You have to be a madman to continue to write edgey, high quality material past your 40's. That's also when most people stop doing drugs or "get more clean". So when people say " they lost it when they stopped doing drugs", it's more like they lost it because your 20's and early 30's are the peak of your creativity in the artistic field of modern rock and pop.

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when people say " they lost it when they stopped doing drugs", it's more like they lost it because your 20's and early 30's are the peak of your creativity in the artistic field of modern rock and pop.

 

Just my opinion, but there is no comparison between the material JT wrote in his 20s and the material that he has been sharing with us the last few years--I believe he is around 38, so this period is certainly beyond your "early 30s" cutoff.

 

Why exactly do you think that in the "early 30s" artistic merit somewhow diminishes? Why would this happen? What are the reasons? What about the artists who reach their peak after their "early 30s"? Doesn't this give the lie to your statement? Were the last 7 years of Lennon's life the twilight of his artistry? Leonard Cohen? The list could go on... ;)

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You have to be a madman to continue to write edgey, high quality material past your 40's. That's also when most people stop doing drugs or "get more clean". So when people say " they lost it when they stopped doing drugs", it's more like they lost it because your 20's and early 30's are the peak of your creativity in the artistic field of modern rock and pop.

exception:Neil :worship

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