So, I'm reading "Wilco: Learning How to Die"

[Spawn's dad]

Not judging you either,different strokes for different folks,it was really hard for me to let things go,I did and it made me a better person,I needed that,others don't,thats cool with me.If I can't forgive ,I can't forget,I'm a mess with shit like this,it's just the way I see it and deal with it,call me insecure or whatever,it's how I was made,I look down on nobody.I'm not ok with certain actions taken towards me,just ok with myself.

 

 

I don't even know what you're talking about. You understand I wasn't actually there and am neither Jay nor Jeff?

[plasticeyeball]

retard

 

 

that wasn't directed at you. it actually wasn't directed at anyone. it just came out.

 

p.s.: i prefer to be refered to as "half a retard"

[oceanman]

if a friend of mine hit on my GF who I subsequently married I can't envision a scenario where we would be friends again at a later date.

BECAUSE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YOURSELF,THANKS FOR TRYING TO MAKE ME LOOK STUPID THOUGH!

[yermom]

that wasn't directed at you. it actually wasn't directed at anyone. it just came out.

 

p.s.: i prefer to be refered to as "half a retard"

I'll keep that in mind!

[Wilco LP #7]

I like the book quite a bit, and am always confused as to why other people don't. It's not as much about Wilco as it is about a bunch of other things inherently related, like the progression of Tweedy as an artist (which of course involves UT), the current nature of the music industry, and a slew of other goodies.

[yermom]

It's not as much about Wilco as it is about a bunch of other things inherently related, like the progression of Tweedy as an artist (which of course involves UT)

 

I found it useful in the way it describes Tweedy's development as a writer/musician too.

[Spawn's dad]

BECAUSE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YOURSELF,THANKS FOR TRYING TO MAKE ME LOOK STUPID THOUGH!

 

 

that was a hypothetical

 

methinks you need to expand your conception of moving on. That Jay doesn't want to be in a band with Jeff doesn't necessarily mean he's walks around thinking about this all the time. my point was not about the wonders of not forgiving people . sometimes there's no reason to back to the past to redo things you did already and didn't work out so well on the interpersonal level. you're positing your conception of forgiveness and moving on onto others lives. I'm saying that while that may be the particular sequence of things that work for you, the world and the people who populate it are big and wondrous and things come in very many shades of magnificent gray.

[JUDE]

go stick your dick in a lightsocket, dumbass.

[bjorn_skurj]

If I knew it was going to be this kind of party, I would have sticked stuck my dick in the tuna casserole.

[oceanman]

methinks you need to expand your conception of moving on. I'm saying that while that may be the particular sequence of things that work for you, the world and the people who populate it are big and wondrous and things come in very many shades of magnificent gray.

I don't give a shit what you think I should do.As posted above,I'm open and cool with how other people deal with issues.You keep trying to prove a point thats already proven,I'm fine with others around me,I tend not to cry over spilt milk.I've tried to be as nice as I could with you,please leave your personal suggestions on how I should lead my life to yourself.

 

Thanks,

Ryan

[Spawn's dad]

wtf are you talking about? I'm not even remotely talking about you

 

Can we please leave out the Dumb Ass and Retard remarks,Half the people I'm debating this subject with I consider my friends and will remain my friends with after this.

 

WEEN ROCKS

[OOO]

[bjorn_skurj]

WEEN ROCKS

Is it alive, does it writhe

Can it survive under the sun?

I can't put my finger on it

Is it green, is it red

Is it alive or is it dead

I can't put my finger on it

Scathe with a lathe

All the days in the past

I can't put my finger on it

Is it brown, is it white

Is it really outta sight

I can't put my finger on it

 

Do you know what i'm saying?

Do you know what i'm saying, people?

 

Can it squeal, does it squirm

If it's fresh will it burn?

I can't put my finger on it

Can it fly, will it try

If the wings are still wet?

I can't put my finger on it

Can it heal, is it real

Can it feel the threads of time?

I can't put my finger on it

Does it glow, will it shine

Does it leave a trail of slime

I can't put my finger on it

 

I tell you one time...

 

Are you surprised when i touch the dwarf inside?

[Spawn's dad]

well this was fun. back lurking the music forum. sedar time and family stuff. ryan, sorry to get you all worked up. not my intention. the post I was responding to had you saying that Jay needed to let it go so as to not prevent an eventual Tupelo reunion. which i was just trying to say assumed certain things.

[mountain bed]

'don't believe the forest when they tell you the roses are free'.

[WaronWar]

I have no idea what this has to do with Jay Farrar explaining his side of the UT breakup, but okay. And the book is most assuredly just as much about the band and its dynamics as it is about the music Wilco makes/made. Again, somewhat irrelevant to the discussion of, and the veracity of Jay's claims regarding, UT's breakup.

 

I have answered every single one of your questions that you have asked. If you do not understand, that's your fault.

 

Basically, I am standing up for Greg Kot because he's a great writer. I read the Tribune and love his writing that he does in within in. Moreover, his writing in Learning How To Die is good. It is not as fantastic as his newspaper writing, but I think he did a great job in collecting interviews and tons of information and forming it all into one book. You might say it's bias (on the breakup of Uncle Tupelo), but I rather believe a guy who I know put tons of hours into his work in finding out the truth than believing Jay, who did not even drop a hint of his side of the breakup over 11 years.

[gogo]

And, we're done. If anyone wants to start a new thread about the book, or about the breakup of UT, or about any of the other crap that happened in this thread, have at it. But this one is being closed, and I'm calling in the EPA to declare it a Superfund site.

 

 

 

 

edit: OK, apparently some people feel that you all can be trusted to not get any pissier than you already have. I'm re-opening this, but the entire thread is on probation!!!

[lost highway]

Thanks you guys make me feel better about an inane argument I had with someone on here about NPR and Radiohead a week ago. Love you guys, like the book. Really makes me want to drink beer with John Stiratt. Now theres a survery: which Wilco member best to drink beer with (keeping in mind JT is out cause he doesn't like to ingest substances).

[oceanman]

Pat for sure,very funny guy!

[kidsmoke]

And, we're done. If anyone wants to start a new thread about the book, or about the breakup of UT, or about any of the other crap that happened in this thread, have at it. But this one is being closed, and I'm calling in the EPA to declare it a Superfund site.

edit: OK, apparently some people feel that you all can be trusted to not get any pissier than you already have. I'm re-opening this, but the entire thread is on probation!!!

 

I'm feeling pissy, can I use this thread, gogo? Or do I need to go find a bush out back?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh ok, I'll behave. *sigh* But where's the fun in that?

 

PS - I understand it was exactly this sort of bickering that broke up Uncle Tupelo.

[gogo]

 

 

 

[myboyblue]

PS - I understand it was exactly this sort of bickering that broke up Uncle Tupelo.

 

I HEARD THAT JEFF CALLED JAY A PUSSY!!1

[caliber66]

I have answered every single one of your questions that you have asked. If you do not understand, that's your fault.

 

Basically, I am standing up for Greg Kot because he's a great writer. I read the Tribune and love his writing that he does in within in. Moreover, his writing in Learning How To Die is good. It is not as fantastic as his newspaper writing, but I think he did a great job in collecting interviews and tons of information and forming it all into one book. You might say it's bias (on the breakup of Uncle Tupelo), but I rather believe a guy who I know put tons of hours into his work in finding out the truth than believing Jay, who did not even drop a hint of his side of the breakup over 11 years.

Sorry, Maudie.

 

As far as you answering my questions, here's an analogy: I am asking you what the distance is between Rome and Milan, and you are responding with "BUT I HAVE A GRAPEFRUIT! WHAT'S NOT TO UNDERSTAND?" Just because you are responding to posts that I have made does not mean you are in any way answering my questions. We're clearly talking past each other on the past discussions, so I would suggest just dropping it and moving along.

 

Here's a new question. Just because Greg Kot asked a lot of questions and put a lot of hours into the book, how can that possibly ensure that he i) asked the right questions, ii) got the right answers or iii) put the right answers in the book? If nobody told him about the incident in the van, which seems to have been witnessed only by Jeff, Jay, Jay's (now) wife and one of Jay's friends, how the hell would Kot have known to write about it? Assuming that Kot is right simply because he put some time into writing something, and that his book is well-written, is very specious reasoning.

 

I believe Jay because (among many reasons), when presented with the opportunity of vehemently denying his old friend's accusation, Jeff muttered something about it being better to handle between the two of them. Jeff has spent the last dozen years talking about dynamics within Uncle Tupelo whenever he felt like it - most recently in the Kot book when he pronounced himself baffled at whatever could have come between Jay and himself - and he decides to clam up when Jay finally says something specific about his motivations for ending the band? I'm sorry, but I call bullshit. I don't think any less of Jeff - God knows I did plenty of stupid shit when I was drunk and his age, and probably wouldn't want to admit to some of it - but that's why I believe Jay.

[socbret]

Now theres a survery: which Wilco member best to drink beer with (keeping in mind JT is out cause he doesn't like to ingest substances).

Gotta go with Stirratt, that guy just oozes coolness.

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

The most divisive incident occurred one night after a show," Farrar recalls, his voice trembling as he tries to remain

calm. "I was driving. My girlfriend of seven years (Monica Groth, now Farrar's wife) was in the van, and another friend of ours was in the front seat. My girlfriend was sleeping in the back seat and Mike was sleeping on the floor or something. "Jeff went in to get paid, and came back out," Farrar continues. "Then we were ready to go home. As I was driving, Jeff woke my girlfriend up and I saw a situation develop that I'd seem before. It was common knowledge that Jeff's pick-up routine was to start crying to elicit sympathy from whatever female he was attracted to. To any outsider it would have been a tragicomedy, because I'm punching on the brakes and punching the gas. "I found out later that he was telling her stuff, like, he loves her. He's always loved her. He thinks she's beautiful. In the rear view mirror I could see him stroking her hair. It was a nightmare. It was an affront to everything I considered important at that time. My girlfriend of seven years and the band. He was destroying all that in one stroke. And he was literally doing it behind my back and right in front of me at the same time. "Ever since that episode, every other issue between us was exacerbated by that. That was probably when I should have broken things up. After that I didn't have any respect for him. I felt that I couldn't trust him."

Tell you why I call bullshit on this version.

Mike Heidorn was still in UT in this version of the story

 

Mike quit in 92.

 

Jay was SO pissed off he did a tour, went to EUROPE, signed a major label contract, went to Austin and recorded...and THEN decided to quit.

 

Bullshit.