hardwood floor Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Hey Hardwood, speaking of, did you ever see any Genesis shows when Bruford was with the band? He is without a doubt my favorite drummer in Rock music ever. I've caught him many times, but not with Genesis. i was lucky enough to see genesis with bruford in 1976 either twice or three times. yeah, the guy is phenomenal. also saw him with king crimson once and with UK two or three times. and saw him in a club with pat moraz. never with yes though -- i think alan white was with them the first time i saw yes in february of 1972 at madison square garden and the first track i played on my first college radio show 1,000 years ago was Beelzebub, from Feels Good to Me! and by the way your user name is my favorite mermaid avenue song Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wild Frank Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Well, after the epic-ness of stuff like "Supper's Ready"...I mean, where do you go after something like that? All of those great Prog bands started to get more concise and 'radio-friendly' as the '70s became the '80s. Much to my chagrin. There's really nothing wrong with a nice, well constructed 3-4 minute song but I'm such a fan of the multi-part album-side length tunes.How do Pink Floyd fit into that 'comercialisation' in the 80/90s? I think they were as bad as the rest but did it more subtly and seemed to get away with it in ways that Genesis didn't managed. In terms of later output by 70s prog legends I would stand up for 'Talk' by Yes as a great prog record of the nineties. I would also shout out (as I frequently do!!) for Marillion who are still releasing great albums. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigideas Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Brian Eno (from recent Pitchfork interview): It's surprisingly unrecognized. I find the same thing in all forms of art, things that are very popular. I think everyone's inherently snobbish. Things that are very popular are not taken seriously, because the snobbish side of one says, "Well, if everyone likes it it can't be that good." Whereas if only I and a couple of other people like it, then it must be really something special. Take one dose and apply to I Can't Dance.haha. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 I think a reason a lot of those bands changed was due to MTV. I also think that the massive success of Phil's first solo album led to the band making more radio friendly music. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigideas Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 With That's All - I just couldn't believe the "but I love you" bridge was making it on that radio station. That was what really stood out to me. Then the keyboards almost seem to be using a Native American scale or what ever is typically associated with Native American music (or what white american thinks it sounds like?). I think there was a renewed interest in Genesis/Phil Collins with that scene in that movie where Mike Tylson air boxes to In the Air Tonight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 I think a reason a lot of those bands changed was due to MTV. I also think that the massive success of Phil's first solo album led to the band making more radio friendly music.Yeah, MTV might have been a whole new vehicle to reach a larger group of people, but (with a few exceptions) it sure as hell didn't do a lot for rock music. Plus, I do blame MTV for ruining the GD scene (in part). Pre- "Touch" I could score tickets with little effort, but post- "Touch" it became a nightmare. I guess that's a whole 'nother thread, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted November 3, 2009 Author Share Posted November 3, 2009 Yeah, MTV might have been a whole new vehicle to reach a larger group of people, but (with a few exceptions) it sure as hell didn't do a lot for rock music. Plus, I do blame MTV for ruining the GD scene (in part). Pre- "Touch" I could score tickets with little effort, but post- "Touch" it became a nightmare. I guess that's a whole 'nother thread, though. I read something somewhere once about how all those old bands had to clean up if they wanted to become video stars - so that is how we got old dudes dressing like Duran Duran. Pretty funny. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigideas Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 was the post prog Genesis era liked by critics or did they feel mostly like most of you do? i'm beginning to see a parallel with Weezer... i just streamed Raditude and it will be the first Weezer i don't buy, so i wondered if this is how some of you that were around during prog era Genesis felt the same way in the 80's? (surely everyone would put even the poppiest Genesis above Raditude or what you hear on pop radio today, right?) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wild Frank Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 was the post prog Genesis era liked by critics or did they feel mostly like most of you do? i'm beginning to see a parallel with Weezer... i just streamed Raditude and it will be the first Weezer i don't buy, so i wondered if this is how some of you that were around during prog era Genesis felt the same way in the 80's? (surely everyone would put even the poppiest Genesis above Raditude or what you hear on pop radio today, right?)I still think those 80's Genesis albums are great. I respect them for going in a different direction instead of repeating themselves as other bands do. Whilst I prefer their 70's output albums like Duke and Invisible touch are really strong 'pop' records, with proggy elements. Being in my mid-thirties it was 'Invisible Touch' that first got me into Genesis and I then worked back to the really good stuff!! In terms of the critics (here in the U.K) Genesis were slated and ridiculed in the 80's and accused of 'selling out'. However, they were never really popular with the critics after Gabriel left. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted November 29, 2009 Author Share Posted November 29, 2009 The Movie Box 1981-2007 Following the release of Genesis Live 1973-2007, a box-set gathering the live albums recorded by the legendary British group, with the added bonus of Live At The Rainbow 1973, and the critically-acclaimed CD/DVD double disc set reissue of the 14 Genesis studio albums on the boxed sets Genesis 1976 – 1982, Genesis 1983 – 1998, and Genesis 1970 – 1975, Atlantic and Rhino concludes its exhaustive rerelease program of the Genesis catalogue with GENESIS: THE MOVIE BOX. It's nice to see that Rhino has finally done something new with their website. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wild Frank Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Looks like Gabriel won't be attending the R'n R Hall of Fame doo. You have got to respect the guys integrity but I was kind of hoping for them to all get together for the ceremony and knock out Supper's Ready and The Battle of Epping Forest!! In related news you can now hear Gabriel's version of Arcade Fire's 'My body is a cage' from his forthcoming covers album. Sounds promising. http://www.genesis-movement.co.uk/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardwood floor Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 In related news you can now hear Gabriel's version of Arcade Fire's 'My body is a cage' from his forthcoming covers album. Sounds promising. i was really disappointed to hear about this, although he did say "probably" and not "definitely" i'd rather hear pete sing "In the cage" than "my body is a cage"!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wild Frank Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 More Info: Peter Gabriel has stunned the music world by announcing he won't be joining his former Genesis bandmates onstage for the group's Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction in March.In fact, the Sledgehammer hitmaker isn't sure he'll even attend the ceremony in New York. Fans were hoping the induction would lead to a reunion for the band's original line-up, but Gabriel insists he has no plans of teaming up with Phil Collins, Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks, who reformed as Genesis in 2008 for a world tour. Gabriel tells Rolling Stone magazine, "I’m definitely not going to sing. I learned at our last reunion (in 1982) that you can’t just get up there. You have to rehearse." And his upcoming European tour plans might rule out an appearance: "I’m trying to find a way to do it... If I can work it out, I’ll go." The rocker refuses to completely rule out a reunion in the future, but admits another get together seems highly unlikely. He adds, "I always describe it as going back to school, since this was a school group for me. It’s a fun place to visit and see your old friends, but it's not a place you want to live. Phil (Collins) has had trouble with his wrists and his back, so it’s pretty unlikely." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardwood floor Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 this is stupid ... milton keyes in 1982 he did the entire set ... in cleveland, he would only be dong one freaking song with them ... i can't beleve peter gabriel and genesis would have to rehearse at all to stand up there and do I Know What I Like or Carpet Crawlers or something this is just peter gabriel being contrary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wild Frank Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I do kind of admire his stance. As a rule I'm not a fan of reunions or looking back, even as a one off. Bands have their time and for the Gabriel era Genesis this was very much 35 years ago (Christ...35 years!!). However....the chance to see Genesis with Gabriel is pretty much the only exception to this in my mind and I would love to see them all together for one last time...as long as Peter doesn't don the Slipperman costume!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barbkm Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Even Bill Berry played with REM at their induction -- and he had an aneurysm on stage for crissakes. I'm disappointed that PG won't be making an appearance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Maybe he, like many (and myself) thinks the RNRHOF is ridiculous and that his time could be better spent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 I read something somewhere once about how all those old bands had to clean up if they wanted to become video stars - so that is how we got old dudes dressing like Duran Duran. Pretty funny. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardwood floor Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 i agree that the R&R H-o-F is a joke, but in a way it's also a pretty significant occasion that a prog band is getting inducted ... it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the core group of hackett/banks/rutherford/collins/gabriel to be together one last time and be recognized for some incredible music, innovative and influential ... for gabriel to shrug it off like this, it's just offensive to a lot of people. suck it up and get up there and do Carpet Crawlers with the old gang and it would mean a lot to a ton of people get chester thompson to play drums so phil and pete can share a mike and front the band. i dunno, i just think it would be really cool to see it it shouldn't bug me but it does Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 I complain like everyone else about who should be in there, and is not. But - I like the Rock Roll Hall of Fame. It's a neat place to visit. And I also think it's cool to recognize those who were originators and stood out above the rest. There are some people in rock music that I simply can not stand. Peter Gabriel is one of those people. I am far from a Genesis expert. I mainly like to watch that film I have posted a few times around here. It seems to me though that he should get off his ass and stand up with his former band mates. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 i agree that the R&R H-o-F is a joke, but in a way it's also a pretty significant occasion that a prog band is getting inducted ... it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the core group of hackett/banks/rutherford/collins/gabriel to be together one last time and be recognized for some incredible music, innovative and influential ... for gabriel to shrug it off like this, it's just offensive to a lot of people. suck it up and get up there and do Carpet Crawlers with the old gang and it would mean a lot to a ton of people get chester thompson to play drums so phil and pete can share a mike and front the band. i dunno, i just think it would be really cool to see it it shouldn't bug me but it doesI agree totally. "Capret Crawlers" or "I Know What I Like" - good choices. Those are definitely not the most difficult things to play. It could be done. It SHOULD be done. And it WOULD mean a lot to us boring old fatrs that still care. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 There are some people in rock music that I simply can not stand. Peter Gabriel is one of those people.I'm curious about this statement. Is it the offstage personality? For my money, PG (during his time with Genesis anyway) was one of the greatest frontmen in rock. I've never read any books about the band (unfortunately) so all I really have to go on is the music. I DO know Robbert Fripp is a pretty prickly character. Sid Smith's In The Court Of King Crimson is a really good read. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardwood floor Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 I'm curious about this statement. Is it the offstage personality? For my money, PG (during his time with Genesis anyway) was one of the greatest frontmen in rock. I've never read any books about the band (unfortunately) so all I really have to go on is the music. I DO know Robbert Fripp is a pretty prickly character. Sid Smith's In The Court Of King Crimson is a really good read. fripp seems to be pretty much of a dick but king crimson was astoundingly great in its initial go-'round Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 I'm curious about this statement. Is it the offstage personality? For my money, PG (during his time with Genesis anyway) was one of the greatest frontmen in rock. I've never read any books about the band (unfortunately) so all I really have to go on is the music. I DO know Robbert Fripp is a pretty prickly character. Sid Smith's In The Court Of King Crimson is a really good read. I just never liked the dude. I respect his talent, I just don't like him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardwood floor Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 saw The Musical Box last night ... was very skeptical ... "why would i want to see a genesis cover band?" blown away great stuff Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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