a.miller Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I really wish we could know why.My understanding is that he left a note. Perhaps that will provide some kind of reason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aricandover Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 My understanding is that he left a note. Perhaps that will provide some kind of reason. from CNN.com: Authorities offered no motive for the killings, which were spread out over a weekend, and would not discuss Benoit's state of mind. No suicide note was found. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alison the wilca Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 What a shocker, a wrestler used steroids. I'm guessing this has zip to do with anything. In fact, I remember reading an article a few years back about a lot of football players suffering from dementia early on in life because of all of the concussions that went untreated and ignored. I wonder if that has anything to do with this. I just can't imagine a guy who is by all accounts a good person doing something like this for no reason. I really wish we could know why. It's so troubling that someone could just snap like that...how about the man that murdered his pregnant girlfriend, or the husband that recently shot his wife and three kids? most people that knew them thought they were generally decent. there are psychopaths among us that appear completely normal, even loving. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 how about the man that murdered his pregnant girlfriend, or the husband that recently shot his wife and three kids? most people that knew them thought they were generally decent. there are psychopaths among us that appear completely normal, even loving. I just can't imagine a guy who is by all accounts a good person doing something like this for no reason. I really wish we could know why. It's so troubling that someone could just snap like that... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamin' Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Don't know if this is true, but I read somewhere that there was a history of domestic violence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted June 27, 2007 Author Share Posted June 27, 2007 I just can't imagine a guy who is by all accounts a good person doing something like this for no reason. I really wish we could know why. It's so troubling that someone could just snap like that... Of course when things like this happen, we all ask why. But I think I will worry about myself very deeply when the day comes where I hear an explanation for something like this that makes sense to me. Obviously the guy was out of his mind when he did it, whether it was due to steroids, mental illness, just being a generally bad guy, or some combination of things. As much as we'd all like to know why things like this happen (whether it's to prevent things like it from happening again, or just to feel our own personal peace with it), I really don't think we'll ever really understand actions like this, which are so far beyond the limits of even the most extreme behavior for most people. I guess all we're really left with is a strange sense of loss for people we didn't know and our own morbid curiousity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
napoleon Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Of course when things like this happen, we all ask why. But I think I will worry about myself very deeply when the day comes where I hear an explanation for something like this that makes sense to me. Obviously the guy was out of his mind when he did it, whether it was due to steroids, mental illness, just being a generally bad guy, or some combination of things. As much as we'd all like to know why things like this happen (whether it's to prevent things like it from happening again, or just to feel our own personal peace with it), I really don't think we'll ever really understand actions like this, which are so far beyond the limits of even the most extreme behavior for most people. I guess all we're really left with is a strange sense of loss for people we didn't know and our own morbid curiousity. that was greatly worded. this has really bummed me out. i've always thought the guy seemed like one of the more friendly wrestlers. especially after seeing him on the eddie guerrero tribute when he gave that heartfelt speech. and it's just so weird to look at him in this light now. all i can say is, last night watching the tribute to him... it was beautiful to see him and eddie hugging in the ring after that championship match. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aricandover Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 all i can say is, last night watching the tribute to him... it was beautiful to see him and eddie hugging in the ring after that championship match. that was the last wrestlemania I saw. it was a great moment, these two guys I used to travel to see in shithole buildings and highschool gyms were on top of the world. but after this tragedy, I can't really look back on that moment with any fondness (except maybe for Guerrero), there is no amount of fandom that will allow me to mourn or try to understand a man who kills his wife and child. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted June 27, 2007 Author Share Posted June 27, 2007 It looks like the WWE is feeling some heat over the fact that they aired a 3 hour tribute to him last night. Of course at the time, very few details were confirmed, but I obviously understand why they're being criticized for showing such an extensive tribute to a man who killed his wife and son. At the same time, I'm not really sure what they could have done that would have been better. They couldn't have gone on with their regular Monday Night RAW card (including the fake memorial service for Vince McMahon). They had to acknowledge that this had happened somehow. Not to defend them too strongly -- the WWE has, in recent years, consistently played to the lowest common denominator, as evidenced by the fake McMahon death -- but I'm not sure what better option they had. One of their biggest names, and his family, were dead, with very few facts confirmed. By the time it aired, the reality of the situation was out there, but only as rumors. They probably knew what had happened, but without that being the official story, they were simply left with the fact that three people were dead, and that there was no way they could have carried on their usual show under the circumstances. I'm curious to see how much this effects professional wrestling as a business in the near future. There had already been an unbelievable number of tragic deaths in the wrestling world in the last decade, but something like this happening with one of their most respected wrestlers is a whole different animal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I'm curious to see how much this effects professional wrestling as a business in the near future. There had already been an unbelievable number of tragic deaths in the wrestling world in the last decade, but something like this happening with one of their most respected wrestlers is a whole different animal.Yes, this goes far beyond the 'occupational hazard' idea. Many times (whether it's RXR, wrestling, or whatever) people who have had an eye on fame & fortune find that once this has been achieved they don't have the personal resources to cope with what being a star can do to their lives. The fact that professional wrestling has evolved from pretty much a regional type of celebrity to a $100 million per year business only complicates the matter. Although I was a fan of the Bruiser/Ox Baker era as a child (and haven't been a real 'fan' for many years) this whole thing has left me feeling very very sad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aricandover Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I'm curious to see how much this effects professional wrestling as a business in the near future. There had already been an unbelievable number of tragic deaths in the wrestling world in the last decade, but something like this happening with one of their most respected wrestlers is a whole different animal. here's an interesting, yet morbid look at wrestler deaths since 1985: The list below only includes wrestlers that have appeared on national TV and were stars. Imagine if this many baseball players died at such an early age. There would be congressional hearings. Yet because it is wrestlers, no one cares. In an effort to stop this problem, the WWE has recently instituted a wellness program that monitors wrestlers for drug usage and cardiovascular issues. Famous Wrestlers That Have Died Since 1985 Before the Age of 65Chris Von Erich - 21Mike Von Erich - 23Louie Spiccoli - 27Art Barr - 28Gino Hernandez - 29Jay Youngblood - 30Rick McGraw - 30Joey Marella - 30Ed Gatner - 31Buzz Sawyer - 32Crash Holly - 32Kerry Von Erich - 33D.J. Peterson - 33Eddie Gilbert - 33The Renegade - 33Owen Hart - 33Chris Candido - 33Adrian Adonis - 34Gary Albright - 34Bobby Duncum Jr. - 34Yokozuna - 34Big Dick Dudley - 34Brian Pillman - 35Marianna Komlos - 35Pitbull #2 - 36The Wall/Malice - 36Leroy Brown - 38Mark Curtis - 38Eddie Guerrero - 38Davey Boy Smith - 39Johnny Grunge - 39Vivian Vachon - 40Jeep Swenson - 40Brady Boone - 40Terry Gordy - 40Bertha Faye - 40Billy Joe Travis - 40Chris Benoit - 40Larry Cameron - 41Rick Rude - 41Randy Anderson - 41Bruiser Brody - 42Miss Elizabeth - 42Big Boss Man - 42Earthquake - 42Mike Awesome - 42Ray Candy - 43Nancy Benoit (Woman) - 43Dino Bravo - 44Curt Hennig - 44Bam Bam Bigelow - 45Jerry Blackwell - 45Junkyard Dog - 45Hercules - 45Andre the Giant - 46Big John Studd - 46Chris Adams - 46Mike Davis - 46Hawk - 46Dick Murdoch - 49Jumbo Tsuruta - 49Rocco Rock - 49Sherri Martel - 49Moondog Spot - 51Ken Timbs - 53Uncle Elmer - 54Pez Whatley - 54Eddie Graham - 55Tarzan Tyler - 55Haystacks Calhoun- 55Giant Haystacks - 55The Spoiler - 56Kurt Von Hess - 56Moondog King - 56Gene Anderson - 58Dr. Jerry Graham - 58Bulldog Brown - 58Tony Parisi - 58Rufus R. Jones - 60Ray Stevens - 60Stan Stasiak - 60Terry Garvin - 60Boris Malenko - 61Little Beaver - 61Sapphire - 61Shohei Baba - 61Dick the Bruiser - 62Wilbur Snyder - 62George Cannon - 62Karl Krupp - 62Dale Lewis - 62Gorilla Monsoon - 62Hiro Matsuda - 62Bad News Brown - 63Bulldog Brower - 63Wahoo McDaniel - 63 (Sources include: Pro Wrestling Illustrated Almanac, Obsessed with Wrestling.com, & Wrestling Information Archive) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boywiththorninside Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 You go into pro wrestlling, you either die prematurely or you become the Governor of Minnesota. That list is unbelievable. To see the causes of death, I ran some of those names through Wikipedia. Car accidents, suicides, liver problems, overdoses, you name it. Crazy. Wikipedia also revealed George "the Animal" Steele is still alive. Mr. Fuji too. I was surprised. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aricandover Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 oof, this was hard to read: WWE releases detailed timeline Detailed WWE/Benoit timelineWritten: June 26, 2007 Below is a detailed WWE/Chris Benoit timeline from Saturday to Monday: Saturday, June 23, 2007 Chris Benoit was scheduled to appear at the WWE Smackdown/ ECW live event in Beaumont, Texas 3:30pmA co-worker received a voice message from Benoit. The message from Benoit stated he missed his flight and over slept and would be late to the WWE Live Event. The co-worker called Benoit back, Benoit confirmed everything he said in his voice message and sounded tired and groggy. Benoit then stated, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamin' Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 From what I've heard on the news so far, these murders seem too methodical to be 'roid rage, but do fit the profile of a family annihilator (especially if there was a history of domestic violence). Those text msgs are chilling. Very sad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mchchef1 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 CNN.com is reporting they found steroids in the residence....sad sad sadIs that surprising to anyone? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
a.miller Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 from CNN.com: Authorities offered no motive for the killings, which were spread out over a weekend, and would not discuss Benoit's state of mind. No suicide note was found.My mistake. Either way, a terrible tragedy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radiokills Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 honestly, fuck him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 honestly, fuck you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 honestly, fuck you.Classy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Classy one classy response deserves another, yeah? a little different than your post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radiokills Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 o right, definetly defend the guy that strangled his family to death. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted June 28, 2007 Author Share Posted June 28, 2007 They're now saying that the son was mentally disabled, and that they think Benoit shot him up with growth hormones before he killed him because he had track marks on his arm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 o right, definetly defend the guy that strangled his family to death. i'm not defending his actions...the whole thing, including him ever getting to a state of doing it is sad. you missed my point completely, twit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radiokills Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 i'm not defending his actions...the whole thing, including him ever getting to a state of doing it is sad. you missed my point completely, twit. im sorry i couldnt gather all that information out of "fuck you." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 im sorry i couldnt gather all that information out of "fuck you." no problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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