giraffo Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 really, what do people see in Ryan Adams? how much trite semi-country wannabe crap can you listen to by this asshole before you realize he's just some kid who got lucky with a record deal and has been playing rock star all this time? hey, look at him pretend to be Neil Young, now he's playing Springsteen, then he has Dylan mask on...sheesh, I can't understand what possible interest there is in his sound... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
giraffo Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 That's exactly how I see SBS and Wilco as a whole. In 20 years they will get their due and be remembered as a truly great and influential band. what if they don't influence anyone? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
froggie Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 > Jeff sounds like Steve Winwood? nothing wrong with that - winwood has an awesome voice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
howdjadoo Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 > Jeff sounds like Steve Winwood? nothing wrong with that - winwood has an awesome voice"Hole in my Shoe"?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
entropy Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 really, what do people see in Ryan Adams? how much trite semi-country wannabe crap can you listen to by this asshole before you realize he's just some kid who got lucky with a record deal and has been playing rock star all this time? hey, look at him pretend to be Neil Young, now he's playing Springsteen, then he has Dylan mask on...sheesh, I can't understand what possible interest there is in his sound... Burn. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yermom Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 really, what do people see in Ryan Adams? how much trite semi-country wannabe crap can you listen to by this asshole before you realize he's just some kid who got lucky with a record deal and has been playing rock star all this time? hey, look at him pretend to be Neil Young, now he's playing Springsteen, then he has Dylan mask on...sheesh, I can't understand what possible interest there is in his sound...I like Heartbreaker a lot. I mean c'mon...Gillian Welch, Emmylou Harris, David Rawlings. I don't mind if he channels Dylan. I'd be hard-strapped to impersonate Neil Young, Springsteen, or Dylan. If Ryan Adams wants to give it a go and manages to turn out some rather sweet songs along the way, more power to him. I can't speak so highly of anything he's done since Demolition though...none of the last few albums/Cardinals stuff has caught on with me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 really, what do people see in Ryan Adams?A hell of a good songwriter and great singer with a bit of a self-editing problem. how much trite semi-country wannabe crap can you listen to by this asshole before you realize he's just some kid who got lucky with a record deal and has been playing rock star all this time?Opinions are like assholes... hey, look at him pretend to be Neil Young, now he's playing Springsteen, then he has Dylan mask on...sheesh, I can't understand what possible interest there is in his sound...Fine, then don't listen to his records. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TJ O'Pootertoot Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 A hell of a good songwriter and great singer with a bit of a self-editing problem.Opinions are like assholes...Fine, then don't listen to his records. I'm with Cryptique - like Neil Young, Ryan Adams puts out a tonne of stuff so sometimes you have to work to separate the wheat from the chaff. That said, I don't think it's possible to listen to something like Heartbreaker and not see the talent there. Everyone one of his albums has some redeeming qualities even if, as a whole, they're indulgent. Either way, his music always heartfelt and honest. Sometimes its musically a bit tooo country or mopey for me but when he is on he is on. I don't expect everyone to like the guy but I'd think someone who has dug deep enough to find Wilco would appreciate Adam's authenticity and heart. Oh, and I'm a Springsteen fan and I don't hear very much of him in Adam's music at all. Not that much Dylan either. I'm sure little bits and pieces and that are in there but so are bits of Hank Williams and The Clash so....chacun son gout. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 That's exactly how I see SBS and Wilco as a whole. In 20 years they will get their due and be remembered as a truly great and influential band.] what exactly is their due? They have a grammy, a gold record (or two?) and critical acclaim. Do we need statues chipped in every town square in America? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dannygutters Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 I'm with Cryptique - like Neil Young, Ryan Adams puts out a tonne of stuff so sometimes you have to work to separate the wheat from the chaff. Comparing neil young to ryan adams in this way is specious. They both have high outputs, but NY's duds are forgiven in the spirit of their experimentation and the solid catalogue of proven quality. Adams has released 1 good solo album, several lesser duplicate versions of that album and was in the poor man's jayhawks. Maybe he has it in him to be good on a more consistant basis but he has not shown it yet. Their output amount really has nothing to do with anything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Adams has released 1 good solo album, several lesser duplicate versions of that albumAround here, I would imagine that opinion places you in a rather small minority. and was in the poor man's jayhawks.I'll take Whiskeytown over the Jayhawks any day, though I love both bands. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Guitar Solo! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Around here, I would imagine that opinion places you in a rather small minority. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Does anyone know where he got those boots he is wearing in that one photo inside the new album? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Elton John, I think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 That may actually be true. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 If you are talking about the "Kiss Destroyer" boots, I read somewhere he got them from Sir Elton. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 I think I am going to start a thread about it on the Ryan board. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 I think I am going to start a thread about it on the Ryan board. While you are overthere, some dude was looking for the tab to Fool's Gold, its Capo 3, Am, G, F (verse) Am C G F, C G F (chorus). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tapmyglass Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 I'll take Whiskeytown over the Jayhawks any day, though I love both bands. true thatI would also say that is very apt to compare ryan to neil young. I dont think ryan isquite on the same level as Neil, but both have simmilar musical output, ranging from the softer country tinged albums (harvest, heartbreaker) to the more rock influenced albums ( Everyone KNows this is nowhere, cold roses). They both even have backing bands that make them much much better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
you ever seen a ghost? Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 tapmyglass/nodmychin, you have an awesome user name. -justin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TJ O'Pootertoot Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Comparing neil young to ryan adams in this way is specious. They both have high outputs, but NY's duds are forgiven in the spirit of their experimentation and the solid catalogue of proven quality. Adams has released 1 good solo album, several lesser duplicate versions of that album and was in the poor man's jayhawks. Maybe he has it in him to be good on a more consistant basis but he has not shown it yet. Their output amount really has nothing to do with anything. Opinion, of course, is subjective but I think it's very specious (if you will) to suggest that Adams' other albums are duplicates of Heartbreaker. If anything (like Neil Young, as I said) Adams has a habit of putting out albums that veer all over the stylistic map. We can call forgive something like "Trans" in its spirit of experimentation but I doubt any of us are going to slip in the CD player on the way home from work today. You can't "forgive" young for it just because he also did "Tonight's the Night" (or "Harvest" or "Ragged Glory" or whatever your personal version of Vintage Neil is). As for Adams and the idea that he duplicates himself, here is my summary of his discography:1) Heartbreaker - singer/songwriter countryish rock2) Gold - pop/rock in the Tom Petty vein3) Demolition - a little of both4) Love is Hell - dark, alt-country, sorta5) Rock n Roll - alt rock and a bunch of other things with no country influence at all6) Cold Roses - Grateful Deadish country rock with some guitar noodling7) Jacksonville City Nights - Nearly a pure country record8) 29 - Long, mainly piano ballads9) Easy Tiger - back in the alt rock vein...kinda #2 + #7 Did I miss one? I like some of these albums more than others but no two are the same. That much is indisputable. (There's also at least 5 other albums of outtakes etc. floating about which fill in a lot of the stylistic gaps and transitions.) And I have nothing against the Jayhawks but Ryan Adams, whatever his faults, is not a poor man's anything. And just when the "bad boy of alt country" thing was getting way tired he cleaned up. He doesn't have to be to everyone's taste and - no, he ain't in Neil Young's league quite yet - but he's still the real deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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tapmyglass Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 tapmyglass/nodmychin, you have an awesome user name. -justin thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aeglos Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 i don't like country and i don't like musical diarrhoea, so Ryan Adams leaves me pretty cold... i don't think its possible not to recognize he is talented though, like him or not Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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