NCAA Football

[cwnorman]

HHAHAA...That is classic.

[OOO]

Sorry Michigan. Tough Loss.

[the_fliz1]

It is official, Lloyd Carr deserves to lose his job regardless of whether or not they beat OSU next week. By not having Hart play and Henne only playing the 1st quarter he showed the team that he didn't care if they won the game or not so why should they.

[cryptique]

It is official, Lloyd Carr deserves to lose his job regardless of whether or not they beat OSU next week. By not having Hart play and Henne only playing the 1st quarter he showed the team that he didn't care if they won the game or not so why should they.

Hello, ever heard of injuries?

[theashtraysays]

Bad day for the Sooie's....

 

Here in Kentucky, we root for UK, and anyone playing UT. 'Cept Louisville, of course.

[napoleon]

sooie, i spent weeks waiting to rub this in.

 

but you're too nice a guy.

 

so i'll just pat your ass and say "good game".

[theashtraysays]

UK survives in Nashville today against a decent Vandy.... man, the basement of the SEC ain't what it used to be.

 

Napoleon, you all better save back a little something for the 24th.

 

Sooie, well, you know..... Nothing _____s like a big orange. Feel free.

[H-Bomb Henry]

O - H - I - O

 

finally we can start talking about LSU/Oregon.

[PigSooie]

sooie, i spent weeks waiting to rub this in.

 

but you're too nice a guy.

 

so i'll just pat your ass and say "good game".

 

I figured you were in here. The Vols owned the Hogs.

 

[uncle wilco]

ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!!!

 

10-0 BABY...10 AND FREAKING 0

[DAngerer09]

10-0 for the first time since 1899!

[El Picador]

ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!!!

 

What exactly does this mean?

 

Anyhow, I wasn't too disappointed to see my cowboys lose to your squad. Especially after blowing that 21 point lead against Texas last week. I'd like to see y'all win a championship.

[squarewave]

It is official, Lloyd Carr deserves to lose his job regardless of whether or not they beat OSU next week. By not having Hart play and Henne only playing the 1st quarter he showed the team that he didn't care if they won the game or not so why should they.

 

How about maybe they just met a real contender of a team in Wisconsin, and they were outplayed?

 

The Badgers lost to Illinois, Penn State, and Ohio State this year... all on the road.

The significance there is that the #2 RB, Lance Smith was suspended by UW (not by NCAA) and was not allowed to travel with the team after an argument with his girlfriend in the off season where he pushed her to the ground and was charged with battery.

 

I am not condoning this or minimizing what Smith did, but the bottom line is that Barry Alvarez (UW Athletic Director) levied the suspension on his player, not the NCAA...

As a Badger fan, I am a little conflicted. On one hand I want the team to be as competitive as possible, and having Smith at Illinois, Penn State and Ohio State to keep that strong 1-2 backfield rotation that was so effective at home... well that makes those ballgames turn out a LOT differently than they did. Seeing Smith run like a maniac yesterday even without Hill, I would bet that Loyd Carr would agree as well.

 

On the other hand, I respect why Barry suspended him... The residents of Madison do NOT want their campus to be the free-for-all that exists at places like Miami, LSU, and now USF, where hardcore thugs run rampant in the community as long as they can play well on Saturdays. WI is a fairly conservative State, and Barry sent a clear message to the players that poor conduct WILL have consequences in Madison.

 

I didn't mean to belittle Illinois either...

At the beginning of this season (and the beginning of this thread) I was one of many to think that the Illini were going to be a doormat like they have been the [past few years.

Ron Zook and his scrappy young guys put it ON this year and proved me wrong, and I will be the foirst to admit that I was wrong, and to say congrats to the Illini... They played well, and they beat the Badgers. I still feel that having Smith would have changed that game, but there's always next year.

 

OK, back to yesterday...

 

Everyone is crying injuries and "insignificance" as the reason that UM lost this game...

 

For the OSU and UM games, PJ Hill was out for the Badgers, as was a portion of their O line which had to be re-arranged to place the backups in the most effective spots.

As cryptique put it, anyone heard of injuries?? ALL teams have their issues with banged up players and issues with rotating in the backups where they can be the most effective.

 

Besides, last time I checked Hart and Henne don't play defense... and the key to the win yesterday was that the Badgers ran the ball at will all day on the Wolverines.

 

As for insignificance, after losing to Appalachian State, the Wolverines needed to play well every game so they didn't wind up in the Hormel Chopped Meat Bowl on New Years Day.... Besides, Wisconsin is a tough division rival, as was Illinois at OSU yesterday... and IMO, neither OSU nor UM would lay down on those games regardless of the consequence of next week's match.

[cryptique]

What exactly does this mean?

I believe it means that the Jayhawks wash away in the rain.

[CommerceComet]

[OOO]

I unfortunately have to send bad vibes the jayhawk's way. While I like the new blood, we gotta keep Oregon in the top 2 if my team wants to have a chance at playing in the Rose Bowl vs. what will likely be Ohio State. I think only Kansas can jump Oregon at this point, if everyone wins out.

[the_fliz1]

How about maybe they just met a real contender of a team in Wisconsin, and they were outplayed?

 

Everyone is crying injuries and "insignificance" as the reason that UM lost this game...

 

For the OSU and UM games, PJ Hill was out for the Badgers, as was a portion of their O line which had to be re-arranged to place the backups in the most effective spots.

As cryptique put it, anyone heard of injuries?? ALL teams have their issues with banged up players and issues with rotating in the backups where they can be the most effective.

 

Besides, last time I checked Hart and Henne don't play defense... and the key to the win yesterday was that the Badgers ran the ball at will all day on the Wolverines.

 

As for insignificance, after losing to Appalachian State, the Wolverines needed to play well every game so they didn't wind up in the Hormel Chopped Meat Bowl on New Years Day.... Besides, Wisconsin is a tough division rival, as was Illinois at OSU yesterday... and IMO, neither OSU nor UM would lay down on those games regardless of the consequence of next week's match.

 

I'm not saying that Wisconsin is a bad team. My point was exactly that Wisconsin outplayed Michigan. As soon as I saw the schedule for UM at the beginning of the year I though that they would lose this game, mainly because it was sandwiched in between UM's 2 biggest games of the year with Michigan State and OSU, and the fact that Wisconsin is a hell of a team. Michigan's problems were that they played lackadaisical and too undisciplined. As evidenced by the 2 plays where they had Donovan virtually sacked and he managed to scramble out of it, because UM didn't maintain outside contain, and make a completion, both on 3rd down I believe. Michigan let Wisconsin convert too many 3rd and long opportunities. There were also some stupid penalties that UM took, some referee helped, some not. i.e. the 2 roughing the passer calls. The first one on the interception that Donovan threw to Adams, and the next one where Wisconsin ran an option play where Donovan got tackled and Crable was called for Uness. Rough. even though in an option play the QB is a runner and so it should have been a legal tackle.

 

As for Hart and Henne not playing defense you are very much correct. But when 90% of your drives are 3 and out, the defense is on the field a hell of a lot. Time of possession not only says how well your defense is doing it also shows how effective your offense is. Now I'm not saying that Wisconsin doesn't deserve some of the credit for UM not moving the ball as effectively, because they do. I though Wis. D-line played a phenomenal game. But if Hart and Henne are in the game playing I would have to believe that UM's time of possession would have been a heck of a lot better, and that the defense would not have been so tired. Wisconsin ran the ball well, but if you look they did so mainly in the second half when UM's defense was worn out. Also, Mallett took a lot of sacks that Henne would not have which made field possession heavily in favor of Wisconsin. I didn't say anything in my previous post about injuries because I know that Wisconsin has had their fair share of them also, Michigan just failed to capitalize on them. A lot of the same injuries that UM have had going into the game are a lot of the same ones that Wisconsin has. Both teams are with out their top RB, both have had injuries at corner and D-line. Both have had injuries that made them shuffle their O-line around. I'm not sure about Wisconsin but UM only had 2 of the 5 projected starters on the O-line in the game where they were supposed to be. But, I guarantee, that if Wisconsin was on the road, and lost Donovan, who is a 5th year senior, and had to put in a true freshmen QB, in a very hostile environment, Wisconsin does not run the ball nearly as effectively and probably doesn't win the game. So yeah losing Hill was bad for Wisconsin, but UM not having Hart, and more importantly, Henne was monumentally worse for Michigan. My point was that if UM wasn't playing OSU next week, and were undefeated like they were last year at this time, Carr would have both Henne and Hart in the game playing. And by not playing them it told the rest of the team that the game wasn't important enough to win and to save their energy. That is the reason that I think Carr should get fired. I believe that every game is important. Now even if UM were to beat OSU next week, if they aren't ranked in the top 14 (which they dropped from 12th to 23rd) then even though they were to win the Big Ten, they can't go to the Rose Bowl anyway. That is why every game is important.

[CommerceComet]

I unfortunately have to send bad vibes the jayhawk's way. While I like the new blood, we gotta keep Oregon in the top 2 if my team wants to have a chance at playing in the Rose Bowl vs. what will likely be Ohio State. I think only Kansas can jump Oregon at this point, if everyone wins out.

 

If Kansas runs the table and beats #5 Mizzou and #4 Oklahoma in consecutive weeks, they should be #1. I don't think that will happen though.

[OOO]

I agree, but you never know this year...

[Gobias Industries]

I'm gonna call Oregon vs. Big 12 winner (mizzou or oklahoma, it's a virtual tossup there) in the BCS championship game.

[cryptique]

I'm gonna call Oregon vs. Big 12 winner (mizzou or oklahoma, it's a virtual tossup there) in the BCS.

So, what, you think LSU is going to lose in the SEC championship game? Because I don't see them losing to either Ole Miss or Arkansas.

 

They'll probably meet Georgia in that game (unless they lose to Kentucky at home, which I doubt, or Georgia Tech on the road, which is at least possible). I doubt LSU will lose to Georgia. I think maybe Tennesse could beat them, but first they have to get to that game.

 

Nope, I think LSU wins out and plays in the BCS championship (which sucks, because I am NOT a fan).

 

Oregon could get leapfrogged by the Big 12 winner, however.

[PigSooie]

Because I don't see them losing to either Ole Miss or Arkansas.

 

LSU will beat these pieces of shit by a combined 80 points.

[Gobias Industries]

So, what, you think LSU is going to lose in the SEC championship game? Because I don't see them losing to either Ole Miss or Arkansas.

 

They'll probably meet Georgia in that game (unless they lose to Kentucky at home, which I doubt, or Georgia Tech on the road, which is at least possible). I doubt LSU will lose to Georgia. I think maybe Tennesse could beat them, but first they have to get to that game.

 

Nope, I think LSU wins out and plays in the BCS championship (which sucks, because I am NOT a fan).

 

Oregon could get leapfrogged by the Big 12 winner, however.

 

I think Georgia can take out LSU, personally. Richt just needs another emotional pump-up gimmick to take the cake.

[heile]

As an Oregon fan from Eugene, I have to say that, regardless of what happens from this point on, I'm very happy with our season. I came into this year expecting nothing, and look where we are now. Fun stuff.

[cryptique]

I think Georgia can take out LSU, personally. Richt just needs another emotional pump-up gimmick to take the cake.

I read something this morning that suggested that Georgia needs Tennessee to lose to make it to the SEC championship game, so I guess the Georgia-LSU scenario isn't a sure thing.