mountain bed Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 i'd like them to allow sbd patches like they had a few years backAmen to that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
froggie Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 >i'd like them to allow sbd patches like they had a few years back these latest audio recordings from recent years sound damn good. why listen to the ONE official live album over and over when you can get good recordings (with audience ambience in it & the band ALLOWING to tape it) from lots of shows?. you can hear a new show pretty often in your own home and gives a sense of feeling of actually Being There (no pun intended, of course!) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 I say no to purchasing live shows.You saw what it did to Bob WeirI bought a recording of the Bobby show I was at this summer. It sounds much better than the AUD recording I had downloaded of that show. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Brendan Canty (Fugazi, Burn to Shine DVD series) is shooting some of their live shows this spring. That has DVD written all over it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Well I'm all for releasing mastered live shows. The more the merrier. I think it sounds better when professionally mastered. KT sounds awesome. I do own alot of bootlegs that I downloaded from torrents, but why not have it available in stores also. I do agree Wilco doesnt mix things up like Phish did, so probably just a few select good ones would be nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rubbersoul93 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I am definitely in support of more live releases, but I would much rather have that Kicking Television DVD surface before anything else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oceanman Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I bought a recording of the Bobby show I was at this summer. It sounds much better than the AUD recording I had downloaded of that show.Thats great you decided to purchase a live album.All I'm saying is a remastered show is not exactly what that show sounded like.They do all sorts of tweaking to almost take them to a studio sound.Bob is very happy because of selling these.Almost all jam bands do this now.It makes me a tad bit angry to see how the jam community has turned their values into ways of turning another dime.Maybe one or two a year,but not every night. And Aman,is that really the truth that if your dumb enough there's no shame.I doesn't make it right to take advantage of anyone. There's a indie store in STL that sells all live shows and DVD's,and yes,all the JHamm's.Who can I contact to do something about this? I miss the innocence I've known......................Stealthing Kiss concerts.............Beautiful and Stoned Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I dunno, oceanman, it doesn't really make me angry, per se. I didn't really mean to be snotty about my comment about buying one of those remastered discs from Bobby. It was the first one of those I've purchased--I've seen other bands doing it before and it never really appealed to me to spend more money for a recording of a show I had already paid for a ticket to. I bought this one sort of as an experiment--the AUD I listened to didn't sound the greatest, and so I tried buying the mastered version from the website to see what it was like and I was actually pretty pleased with it. It sounds pretty much exactly the way I remember it sounding that night. Certainly I wouldn't buy one of these for every show I attend--especially when there are other freely-available recordings. Maybe there are people who do this and I can see how it would bleed them dry--is that what you think is predatory about this? I'm just not sure I'm seeing this as a betrayal of values. No moreso than charging a ridiculous amount of money for t-shirts or posters. Particularly if they continue to freely allow tapers, I see these recordings as just another item at the merch table. People can buy it if they wish, but by no means are required to, nor do I think it is particularly assholish to offer it. I think I almost prefer this method of selling live recordings to that of releasing an official album every so often. A lot of times I want to hear a particular show, usually one I was at. First I'll look for a freely-distributed AUD or SBD, but if it doesn't sound that great and/or I can't find one, I'd definitely consider purchasing one as an alternative. Doesn't seem like the end of the world to me. Now as for what you said about people taking somebody's freely-distributed recording and selling it for a profit (to people whom, for whatever reason, don't realize they can get the same thing for free), yeah, that's a different thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 There's a indie store in STL that sells all live shows and DVD's,and yes,all the JHamm's.Who can I contact to do something about this? Tell him about it - I am sure Wilco management will take it from there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 All I'm saying is a remastered show is not exactly what that show sounded like.They do all sorts of tweaking to almost take them to a studio sound.Bob is very happy because of selling these.Almost all jam bands do this now.It makes me a tad bit angry to see how the jam community has turned their values into ways of turning another dime.Maybe one or two a year,but not every night. I dont understand why mastering the sound of a live recording to make it sound cleaner and better is not what the show sounded like. Whatever tweaks they do is for better listening enjoyment. Why would they change the sound of the concert? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oceanman Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I dont understand why mastering the sound of a live recording to make it sound cleaner and better is not what the show sounded like. Whatever tweaks they do is for better listening enjoyment. Why would they change the sound of the concert? I guess I haven't quite adapted to this new idea of promoting live recordings.Half the people on this board are 15 to 20 years older than me and if they have adapted,I guess at some point I might give up the battle.You think I'm a snob now,you should of seen me when I was younger.I guess with age comes a mentality of who the fuck cares?I'm starting to see that.I still stand my ground on how remastered shows aren't true to form.How many times at shows are there pops, cracks, and mishaps?Pretty much 90% of the time.Do you hear those on a mastered copy?.........No,not at all. And quater23,that was a good post!On the value thing, it's kind of like band's taking advantage of their fans.I think KTV was a horrible idea. Wasn't even a show for that matter. I know this might sound double sided, but I would rather buy a remastered show of Wilco's if they only put out one or two a year.Well, I hope I didn't come off as a douche bag, and I don't take any offense to this topic and other's takes on this. It's a great topic that should be discussed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I guess I haven't quite adapted to this new idea of promoting live recordings.Half the people on this board are 15 to 20 years older than me and if they have adapted,I guess at some point I might give up the battle.You think I'm a snob now,you should of seen me when I was younger.I guess with age comes a mentality of who the fuck cares?I'm starting to see that.I still stand my ground on how remastered shows aren't true to form.How many times at shows are there pops, cracks, and mishaps?Pretty much 90% of the time.Do you hear those on a mastered copy?.........No,not at all. And quater23,that was a good post!On the value thing, it's kind of like band's taking advantage of their fans.I think KTV was a horrible idea. Wasn't even a show for that matter. I know this might sound double sided, but I would rather buy a remastered show of Wilco's if they only put out one or two a year.Well, I hope I didn't come off as a douche bag, and I don't take any offense to this topic and other's takes on this. It's a great topic that should be discussed. Why would you wanna hear those pops and cracks anyways if you dont have to? You think even with the AUD recordings, that the recorder doesnt do what he or she can to make it sound better? It is filtered and mastered to their ability. Just when you spend more money, you can get professionals with better equipment doing a better job. Also the CDs used for retail are much better quality, unlike and CDR you can buy. So I think you are standing for something that doesnt make sense. I understand the allure of having something that is more rare and not readily available or even keep things less widespread, but dont try to reason that professionally mastered cds are inferior to an AUD recording. Why does it matter how much live they release, just buy what you like and leave the ones you dont. I wouldnt buy every show either, I just the idea if there being choices. I really sugguest to go buy KT, its one great album even though its not even one full concert. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Why would you wanna hear those pops and cracks anyways if you dont have to? You think even with the AUD recordings, that the recorder doesnt do what he or she can to make it sound better? It is filtered and mastered to their ability. Just when you spend more money, you can get professionals with better equipment doing a better job. Also the CDs used for retail are much better quality, unlike and CDR you can buy. So I think you are standing for something that doesnt make sense. I understand the allure of having something that is more rare and not readily available or even keep things less widespread, but dont try to reason that professionally mastered cds are inferior to an AUD recording. Why does it matter how much live they release, just buy what you like and leave the ones you dont. I wouldnt buy every show either, I just the idea if there being choices. I really sugguest to go buy KT, its one great album even though its not even one full concert. He's not only talking about the audio quality. There's just a vibe with AUD/SBD/Matrix recordings that just doesn't show when the pros do their thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I guess what you have is live albums that bands fix-up before they are released - i.e. overdub guitar parts, sbd tapes that are mastered somewhat and then released to fans, sbd tapes without any work done to them, and then, finally, AUD tapes. Although - with the modern access to equipment - it seems there is a movement to tinker with tapes before they are put out there by tapers - at least, I have seen this with old LZ shows or whatever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cooperissup3r Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Like Pearl Jam and Phish. If they offered FLAC files, then I would probably buy them. Although, I really only get shows that I have been to. Sometimes an AUD tape may sound better than a SBD.i don't know about PJ, but the only reason i ever bought the LivePhish series and subsequent shows is because you're getting something different each show. with wilco, it's basically the same setlist every show plus or minus a few songs. i just don't see why anyone would want 6 shows with very very similar setlists.I say no to purchasing live shows.You saw what it did to Bob Weir........................on Night Line he was bragging on how he is turning a hefty dime on selling mastered live shows.I think it makes you look like an asshole.I hate mastered live shows,most of the time I prefer aud,or matrix over sbd.I seriously despise those who are lured into this mentality of thinking that digitally remastered live music is ok for a band to do.I DO NOT OWN KICKING TV!it's not only OK, it's great. when you have a band that created something different every night (ala Phish), having a SBD copy of some of their greatest shows is an awesome treat. and especially at 12.95 for 3 discs. too good not to get. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jcroach Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I might buy one live album per tour. I just can't see them doing the Phish/Pearl Jam route. If they had a bigger fan base, I might see the next day download, but not hard CDs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I don't see anyone doing cds - except for The Allman Brothers Band. The Black Crowes were - but not now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maggie Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I'm attending my first Wilco show next month. I'd love the get a nice official copy, but in a way I'm looking forward to checking the torrent sites daily in hopes the show will randomly pop up one day. As a Pearl Jam fan, I have to say that the official bootlegs are certainly helpful when you want to be sure of getting a copy of a show you attended. However, in some ways they seem to have spoiled the spirit of live music. Not only does it take away the joy of the search as someone already said, but it seems that many fans have developed a sense of entitlement that I simply cannot believe. A lot of that also comes from the fan club (I won't go there), but I think that having such easy access the just about every show since 2000 has made some fans feel like they can demand their every wish. I can also say from personal experience that I burned myself out on the band when the bootlegs first came out in 2000. I bought maybe 7 or 8 of them that year, 2 or 3 in 2003, and in 2006 I only purchased the show I attended. Now I can't even bring myself to buy the in-store releases, like the Gorge Boxed Set or the DVD that just came out this week, and when I see Pearl Jam come up on torrent sites I typically scroll right on by. Of course that's not the band's fault, but the bootlegs did take away some of the excitement for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loldoctor Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 I can't believe they havn't released a DVD yet. I wonder what they're waiting for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Edie Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 I own KT because I believe in supporting the band, and because they allow taping of live shows. I rarely listen to it though, but that's my choice. I prefer my various AUD, SBD and matrix recordings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oceanman Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 it's not only OK, it's great. when you have a band that created something different every night (ala Phish), having a SBD copy of some of their greatest shows is an awesome treat. and especially at 12.95 for 3 discs. too good not to get.If it's straight SBD,then your getting screwed buddy.Phish has alot of SBD for free.If it's remastered,I don't want it. I love hearing the pops,cracks and f' up's! It's like like being at the show. And yes tapers do some tweaking to get the best out of a show. Nothing like going into a studio and remastering a live show. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oceanman Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 I don't see anyone doing cds - except for The Allman Brothers Band. The Black Crowes were - but not now.I think a few more bands did it in the past,but for now. The Bob Schneider Band has the show recorded sbd and for sale afterwards. I think that is BS but I've gotten a few for free, so what ever. Anyways those exact same shows are available the next day on The Llama for free. That's a little f'd up! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oceanman Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 I really sugguest to go buy KT, its one great album even though its not even one full concert.Thanks,I have it,but didn't buy it. Gave the Cd w/ Comment a play once! I just see where this digital world is going. You trade a show than stick it in your iTunes and just broke the golden rule of trading. If you have the show in wav in a case, then fine. But going to a friends house and taking all of his mp3 shows and trading those around is the devils work. It's way to hard to stop this from happening. Did Wilco get paid for releasing KT? And Yes............the.............VIBES Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MKHstudios Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 this dead horse is really quite dead - let's stop beating it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oceanman Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 Just because you don't care,doesn't mean that there is no need for a discussion. It's been 2 1/2 pages....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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