cryptique Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 So... who's gettin' into the Hall of Fame on Tuesday?Well, first let's eliminate the handful who aren't even remotely close: The ballot: Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 "The higher you get up on the flagpole, the more your butt shows. I understand all that," he said. I laughed pretty hard when he said this. I would vote for: Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I'd like to see Bert Blyleven Dave Concepcion Rich Gossage Dale Murphy Link to post Share on other sites
Oil Can Boyd Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 This was in yesterday's Boston Globe: A few questions for Goose Gossage, who stands a very good chance of being elected to the Hall of Fame Tuesday: Is Jim Rice a Hall of Famer? GG: "Absolutely. Are you kidding me? There weren't many hitters that I feared when I came into the game, but when Jimmy stepped to the plate, he was as close as I came to being scared. And for a power hitter, he could really hit. That's very rare. I can't think of too many people I respected more in the game. If I could go into Cooperstown with Jimmy, even though we were rivals and he was a Red Sox and I was a Yankee, I couldn't be more proud of that." Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 New criteria for the Hall of Fame: Did the player have Goose Gossage's respect? Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Why is it so hard to say that player is/was a "Red Sock"? Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Why is it so hard to say that player is/was a "Red Sock"?Why is it so hard to spell "Socks"? As a White "Sox" fan, I probably shouldn't be asking that question. Link to post Share on other sites
Oil Can Boyd Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 New criteria for the Hall of Fame: Did the player have Goose Gossage's respect?Not specifically. But one of the "soft" criteria does seem to be whether the player was respected by his peers. In the last baseball thread someone asserted that Rice was the most feared hitter in baseball for five years and someone else questioned that statement. The Rice question is a tough one for me. As I mentioned in the previous baseball thread he was my favorite player when I was a kid. I saw him play dozens of times, he put up some really good numbers, and it was fun to watch him hit. But is he a Hall of Famer? I'm stealing someone else's line here, but if there was a Hall of Really Really Good Players, he'd be a shoo-in. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Hell, it's just the opinion of the sportswriters anyway. The opinion of a player seems like it would carry at least some weight in relation to that. Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Yay, Zito! For what it's worth, neither of us knowing a damn thing about baseball, my mom and I are rooting for Rod Beck. Or she would be, if she knew that such a thing was going on. edit: Yes, my mom is incapable of setting the date stamp on her camera. That was taken a week before christmas. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Cool. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 As much as I like Dawson, he's not in for me. Niether is Rice. Or Morris. I'd put Blyleven and McGwire in. Link to post Share on other sites
Twisted Acres Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Not for nothing, but the McCormick kids are far better-looking than Mr. Z. That must've been a lot of fun! Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Not for nothing, but the McCormick kids are far better-looking than Mr. Z. That must've been a lot of fun! The little guy is a major chatterbox most of the time, but the minute BZ arrived, he clammed up entirely. And the middle one, the girl in the stripes on the left, absolutely refused to smile in a picture with santa earlier that day. That picture captures the closest thing to a smile I've seen on her face in months. Link to post Share on other sites
Chris_H_2 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 BlylevenDawsonGossageTrammell Link to post Share on other sites
the_fliz1 Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 BlylevenDawsonGossageTrammell As much as I would love to see it because I am a Tigers fan, I don't see any way that Trammell makes it. I think Blyleven and Gossage, and maybe McGuire get in. McGuire has an outside chance but I think there is too much going on with the steroids at the moment for him to get in. I know that HGH was legal when he took it, but it isn't now, and I think that it will make a difference with the writers who who have stated that they will never vote for anybody who was ever caught taking roids. Link to post Share on other sites
Chris_H_2 Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 As much as I would love to see it because I am a Tigers fan, I don't see any way that Trammell makes it. Oh, there's no way he makes it . . . but he should. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted January 8, 2008 Author Share Posted January 8, 2008 I'm a Tigers fan and I love Tramm, but no way is he a Hall of Famer. Anyway, it looks like Gossage is the only one who got in this year. Rich Gossage 85.8% Jim Rice 72.2% Andre Dawson 65.9% Bert Blyleven 61.9% Lee Smith 43.3% Jack Morris 42.9% Tommy John 29.1% Tim Raines 24.3% Mark McGwire 23.6% Alan Trammell 18.2% Dave Concepcion 16.2% Don Mattingly 15.8% Dave Parker 15.1% Dale Murphy 13.8% Harold Baines 5.2% Rod Beck 0.4% Travis Fryman 0.4% Robb Nen 0.4% Shawon Dunston 0.2% Chuck Finley 0.2% David Justice 0.2% Chuck Knoblauch 0.2% Todd Stottlemyre 0.2% Jose Rijo 0% Brady Anderson 0% Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 What's the threshold to be on future ballots? Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted January 8, 2008 Author Share Posted January 8, 2008 5% Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Todd Stottlemyre got some votes? Chuck Knoblauch? If some fuckers voted for Stottlemyre or Knoblauch but not Rice, keeping Rice below the necessary 75%, I'm gonna have to administer a beating or two. Link to post Share on other sites
Twisted Acres Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Voting for one doesn't prevent you from voting for another... often-times its writers who have become close with players who put a vote down for them just out of respect, but not expecting them to make it necessarily. If a writer voted for Todd or Chuck, it didn't necessarily prevent him or her from voting for Jim. Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Voting for one doesn't prevent you from voting for another... often-times its writers who have become close with players who put a vote down for them just out of respect, but not expecting them to make it necessarily. If a writer voted for Todd or Chuck, it didn't necessarily prevent him or her from voting for Jim.I know -- all I'm saying is that if anyone's ballot included Stottlemyre or Knoblauch but not Rice, I've got a can opener and a ready supply of whoopass. Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 So anybody here think Clemens is innocent? Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 So anybody here think Clemens is innocent?I thing Clemens thinks he is. And possibly his attorney. Link to post Share on other sites
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