Charleston Rescheduled???: The Merged Superthread!

[aricandover]

I think that quote you referred to about Wilco being part of the fabric of people's lives was made in reference to 9/11. I see the postponement of one show as not really being as big a deal as that. Sorry.

 

For your health!

[Good Old Neon]

I think this is Wilco's fault. And not in the way you may think. If Wilco treated their fans slighter worse, you know, decided to not put YHF out on the internet, didn't give us bonus tracks to download with about every release, didn't stream a bunch of their shows on their site, didn't have a very fan-friendly taping and trading policy, and didn't play well over 30 songs at most gigs, then there wouldn't be this mess. The expectations that Wilco have built (because of being about the most fan-friendly band in the world) have made their fans into selfish brats.

 

 

Seriously, these crazy Wilco fans expect everything to be perfect for them. Now of course it sucks to have your plans change, and I can understand being a bit upset, but chill out a bit. Lean on their history and realized that there is a bigger picture than just you.

 

For the record

[Leo]

Smashing!

 

Now, could you photoshop-in a spider monkey playing a monkey grinder atop an elephant being frightened by a cobra being charmed by an orangutan wearing a clown costume?

Uuuuh . . . no.

[groovingdan]

For the record

[Doug C]

I have replied enough but I'll go one more. I personally disagree with the decision to cancel a sold out show on 5 days notice to appear on SNL. I feel that the principle broken doesn't justify the principle followed. The exposure isn't going to be that important to override the commitment to your touring schedule. This was not a serious illness or a family emergency. Do Wilco have a right to feel otherwise? Certainly.

 

I wish that more fans felt the way that I do and I admit that I am as surprised by the defenders of the decision as I am by the decision itself. Though it is my interpretation, it seems to smack of an inability to criticize and from some of you it has a taint of being a sin to criticize. It is like Al Franken says about the difference between some conservatives and some liberals: A conservative loves their country like a 4 year old loves their mother and a liberal loves their country like an adult loves their mother. To the 4 year old, mommy is never wrong and can't be criticized. To an adult, because they love their mother they want her to know when she has made a mistake. Let me paraphrase my original post to sum up: if Wilco had made the opposite decision, the vast majority would be saying, "Well done! That is why I love this band", though now I feel that a few zealots would actually say, "What a bunch of bullshit! Wilco could have gotten exposure and grown! Idiots".

 

To each his own. I have been educated today and yesterday about the thought process of many Wilco fans, well at least of some VCers. That said, as stated earlier, I am desperately trying to rearrange and drive to Nashville. I would be greatly obliged if someone had 2 resonably priced tickets to the Ryman show for an obviously serious and true fan.

Doug

[allgodsmoney]

Boy, you sure missed some good discussions over the summer! Blood was spilled.

 

 

Where do you think I got the name from? I am now concidering a change to...Charleston...Sellout...SNL...

 

You can't always get what you want...but if you try sometimes...

 

I want to fight over which Foo Fighters song is better, next thread.

[Calexico]

You know what make me mad?

 

The scarcity of tranvestite dwarf porn.

 

 

Dude, you are totally looking in the wrong places. I know a guy....

 

 

SNL, fucking hell...is this weak ass "comedy" show even relevant anymore? Wilco don't exactly need the exposure but if they wanted to go on the show, fair enough but not to postpone a show for which people had already made plans and spent money.

[embiggen]

this just blew my mind!

[solace]

I have replied enough but I'll go one more. I personally disagree with the decision to cancel a sold out show on 5 days notice to appear on SNL. I feel that the principle broken doesn't justify the principle followed. The exposure isn't going to be that important to override the commitment to your touring schedule. This was not a serious illness or a family emergency. Do Wilco have a right to feel otherwise? Certainly.

 

I wish that more fans felt the way that I do and I admit that I am as surprised by the defenders of the decision as I am by the decision itself. Though it is my interpretation, it seems to smack of an inability to criticize and from some of you it has a taint of being a sin to criticize. It is like Al Franken says about the difference between some conservatives and some liberals: A conservative loves their country like a 4 year old loves their mother and a liberal loves their country like an adult loves their mother. To the 4 year old, mommy is never wrong and can't be criticized. To an adult, because they love their mother they want her to know when she has made a mistake. Let me paraphrase my original post to sum up: if Wilco had made the opposite decision, the vast majority would be saying, "Well done! That is why I love this band", though now I feel that a few zealots would actually say, "What a bunch of bullshit! Wilco could have gotten exposure and grown! Idiots".

 

To each his own. I have been educated today and yesterday about the thought process of many Wilco fans, well at least of some VCers. That said, as stated earlier, I am desperately trying to rearrange and drive to Nashville. I would be greatly obliged if someone had 2 resonably priced tickets to the Ryman show for an obviously serious and true fan.

Doug

had they CANCELLED it, i would agree with you, they postponed it.

[myboyblue]

I have replied enough but I'll go one more. I personally disagree with the decision to cancel a sold out show on 5 days notice to appear on SNL. I feel that the principle broken doesn't justify the principle followed. The exposure isn't going to be that important to override the commitment to your touring schedule. This was not a serious illness or a family emergency. Do Wilco have a right to feel otherwise? Certainly.

 

I wish that more fans felt the way that I do and I admit that I am as surprised by the defenders of the decision as I am by the decision itself. Though it is my interpretation, it seems to smack of an inability to criticize and from some of you it has a taint of being a sin to criticize. It is like Al Franken says about the difference between some conservatives and some liberals: A conservative loves their country like a 4 year old loves their mother and a liberal loves their country like an adult loves their mother. To the 4 year old, mommy is never wrong and can't be criticized. To an adult, because they love their mother they want her to know when she has made a mistake. Let me paraphrase my original post to sum up: if Wilco had made the opposite decision, the vast majority would be saying, "Well done! That is why I love this band", though now I feel that a few zealots would actually say, "What a bunch of bullshit! Wilco could have gotten exposure and grown! Idiots".

 

To each his own. I have been educated today and yesterday about the thought process of many Wilco fans, well at least of some VCers. That said, as stated earlier, I am desperately trying to rearrange and drive to Nashville. I would be greatly obliged if someone had 2 resonably priced tickets to the Ryman show for an obviously serious and true fan.

Doug

[Good Old Neon]

Yeah, but Wilco don't packege their music with stickers that say "free downloads with purchase" they usually surprise you after you have already bought the music. You can't deny that they have been great to their fans.

 

I agree that they are wonderfully giving to their fans, but, at the same time, I think their generous nature is often overstated

[Sir Stewart]

Actually, they paid for cartons of coffee and cups distributed to the fans waiting in line in Chicago last week. So you're sort of wrong.

[Doug C]

had they CANCELLED it, i would agree with you, they postponed it.

I disagree. Of course, they had better reschedule. There is a huge difference between expecting to see the band while in the glow of playing every song at the residency and seeing them 5 months later. Yes, they may still be taking requests and putting more rarities in the list than usual OR they may not. Canceling to appear on Saturday Night Live was a poor decision. That some boarders are actually excited to see them do 2 songs an hour apart on SNL is bizarre. It would have been FANtastic to say, "We can't do it. It sucks but the timing just won't allow it. Please keep us in mind". I have no idea what their thought process was and I am not in their position but I hope that I would make the same decision if I were. Jeff Tweedy, like you and I, can make a bad decision that he may regret.

Again, I hope to somehow work out the Ryman. Message me if you have a line on tickets. Cheers.

[Calexico]

[Lammycat]

Actually, they paid for cartons of coffee and cups distributed to the fans waiting in line in Chicago last week. So you're sort of wrong.

Maybe they'll supply DQ Blizzards to the throngs in line for the re-scheduled show. Or a swimming pool.

[Sir Stewart]

[myboyblue]

Canceling to appear on Saturday Night Live was a poor decision.

 

 

So wait, you don't agree with the decision? I am just having a tough time keeping up with your position.

[Doug C]

So wait, you don't agree with the decision? I am just having a tough time keeping up with your position.

Why? I haven't wavered, myboyflippant.

[Calexico]

Or a swimming pool.

 

 

I am TOTALLY peeing in that.

[ction]

I'm going to throw a "Wilco on SNL" party this weekend!

[Doug C]

I'm going to throw a "Wilco on SNL" party this weekend!

Can I come if I can't get Ryman tickets?

[Wilco Worshipper]

Six million viewers v. 1200 already existing fans

 

I don't really see what there is to argue about. Most of us would've done the same thing. Jeff and the boys have been working very hard for a long-time and imho they DESERVE this opportunity.

 

And as much as I'm proud that they get to do this, inside just a little I am concerned and saddened that the days of seeing them in a 1600 person venue may come to an end in a few years. But it's OKAY

 

I do feel for the fans especially those that had to make travel plans to do this and now change them or even not go at all. But look at the big picture, yes you're allowed to be unhappy and rant even but to continue to argue it and say how wronged you feel by them imho is kind of sad.

 

You have your health, your family, your friends and a roof over your head, right?!? Right

[ction]

Can I come if I can't get Ryman tickets?

 

You don't talk this much in person, do you?

[solace]

I disagree. Of course, they had better reschedule.

they already DID reschedule it though, it was announced almost immediately that the new date is August 7th....

 

as for the residual effect of the residence gems, i'm guessing that will last all year, and maybe even be better later on after they're tired of SBS songs, who knows! knowing Jeff and the guys, they will make it up to Charleston somehow, trust me.

[ction]

they already DID reschedule it though, it was announced almost immediately that the new date is August 7th....

 

as for the residual effect of the residence gems, i'm guessing that will last all year, and maybe even be better later on after they're tired of SBS songs, who knows! knowing Jeff and the guys, they will make it up to Charleston somehow, trust me.

 

I'm not supposed to say anything, but they've asked me if I'm available to open.