Election 2008

[Doug C]

That '68 campaign didn't even really start until March, which is when LBJ dropped out and RFK threw his hat in. The timeframe for the nomination process was totally different then. Even if that's all Hillary meant (and though that was of course the main point, I'm still not at all convinced that she did not purposely evoke the assassination), it's still a misleading comparison.

I get no respect. See page 37.

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/500/

[MrRain422]

sorry bout that

[Guest Jules]

John Stewart

[mountain bed]

When I heard that story for the first time, I had a vision of Hillary taking off her mask to reveal she was one of those V aliens, and then eating a live puppy.

I think I may have told you about the fevered nightmare I had where HRC morphed into Hubert "Triple H" Humphrey. No less frightening (imo).

[bjorn_skurj]

I think I may have told you about the fevered nightmare I had where HRC morphed into Hubert "Triple H" Humphrey. No less frightening (imo).

That dream would send me straight to the shrink.

[solace]

man this Reverend Pfleger guy is a RIOT... i'd go to church every day of the week if my Pastor was that damn funny

 

sign this man up for Last Comic Standing, he's in the wrong profession

[LouieB]

man this Reverend Pfleger guy is a RIOT... i'd go to church every day of the week if my Pastor was that damn funny

 

sign this man up for Last Comic Standing, he's in the wrong profession

Yea, the Chicago clergy are right up there with the greats, Richard Pryor and Lenny Bruce.

 

Sadly Pfleger is pretty much of a grandstander (a white Jesse Jackson) and since he is a fixture in the black community he sometimes forgets he is also white. Most of his antics are for the good (reducing gun violence, improvement of schools in poor communities, etc.) but in this case even I think he overstepped his bounds. I simply don't think Hillary needs to be kicked that bad now that she is down. Yea, she has done and some said things I strongly disagree with, but she still would be better than John "Bush third term" McCain.

 

The most amazing thing about Pfeger is that he has been able to stay at St. Sabina all these years, since priest need to move every few years. (I forget how many, but I am thinking 7.) He has now pissed off Cardinal George so he may get the boot. We shall see.

 

LouieB

[solace]

yeah, in the interest of Obama, certainly not a fan of this guy popping up now, but still, his delivery, energy, and content, dude seriously did crack my shit up

[LouieB]

yeah, in the interest of Obama, certainly not a fan of this guy popping up now, but still, his delivery, energy, and content, dude seriously did crack my shit up

Oh yea...I don't disagree with that.....but he is a bit of a "white Negro" at some level. (Hell he may be more black at other levels then Barak......)

 

LouieB

[solace]

yeah, that's part of why i found his sermon so amusing i think

[Duck-Billed Catechist]

I've seen Pfleger speak before and I like him. Obviously he was out of line here, though--and he's said as much.

[MrRain422]

Definately liked the way he handed that Fox News guy his ass a month or so back when the reporter tried to trick him into badmouthing Rev. Wright. Pfleger pwned that guy to the extreme.

[mountain bed]

Today's the big day folks. Remember when we were debating if the FL/MI fiasco was gonna be a big deal? Seems like a looong time ago. Well, the day is here and it certainly IS a big deal! I hope they get this mess sorted out.

[H-Bomb Henry]

Can someone please inform me...Did Hillary agree with not counting delegates from Mich and Florida or did she just agree not to campaign there? Either way I still think she will stop at nothing to be elected.

[Duck-Billed Catechist]

Did Hillary agree with not counting delegates from Mich and Florida

Long-short of it: yes.

[bobbob1313]

If they count FL/MI and she gets the nom, it's going to kill the democratic party.

 

Now, there just needs to be something to kill the republican party and we'll have some real change in this country.

[bjorn_skurj]

I am AGAINST counting Florida and Michigan. They were warned they were violating the rules and they went ahead and did it anyway. The results are not valid because neither candidate treated it as if it was a real election - Obama even took his name of the ballot in Michigan. The Dem voters in that state need to take it up with the dumb party leadership who decided to break the rules in the first place.

[Beltmann]

There's no way to change rules mid-stream without invalidating the entire process. You can't play an exhibition game, and then near the end of the regular season somehow claim that your exhibition win ought to count towards your record. It doesn't compute. Besides, neither election in FL or MI were truly representative, and not just because Obama wasn't on the MI ballot and not just because no campaigning occurred in FL. The real problem is much larger: Since voters in each state knew the primary wasn't going to count, many voters stayed home who might otherwise have participated. (Can we blame them?) The reason the January elections aren't valid is because they are already tainted by widespread disenfranchisement, and seating those delegates would only condone such disenfranchisement. For Clinton to now refer to them as "legitimate" elections is, in my view, pandering--or delusion--of the first order.

 

Having said that, I don't think Michigan and Florida voters ought to be ignored simply because their state political leaders are buffoons. (It wasn't voters who chose to break the rules.) In the interests of fairness and democracy, some kind of compromise must be reached.

[tugmoose]

So now we get the Democrats making a fiasco of the primary selection process. They are bound and determined to lose this unloseable election.

[Edie]

I think, Ickes/Clinton threat to take this to the credentials committee notwithstanding, that this ended up going well today. The unanimous vote on FL and the greater than 2/3 vote on MI will finally put this to rest and sets the stage for a mostly unified party. Obama should be the defacto nominee by this time Wed.

 

Hillary can keep on pushing and risk the scorched earth label that will likely kill any future political future, or accept her loss and work to get Obama elected (and get her name firmly into the hat for the VP position). I am sincerely hoping she chooses the latter.

[Tweedling]

This whole thing amazes me. What are the chances of the democratic party unifying after all this smoke clears? I thought early on they were going to kick butt and get this election wrapped up.

 

Am I the only one that cracks up when they see Dean as the "head" of the DNC?

[MrRain422]

No, he's a good party chair, IMO. Way better than McAulliffe was.

[mountain bed]

No, he's a good party chair, IMO. Way better than McAulliffe was.

Yep. I consider McAuliffe to be the most 'spun' of all spin doctors.

 

I think most folks just think of Dean as "Screamin' Howard" which is kinda unfair. Another example of being defined by sound bites.

[bjorn_skurj]

This whole thing amazes me. What are the chances of the democratic party unifying after all this smoke clears? I thought early on they were going to kick butt and get this election wrapped up.

It's not impossible. Will the Reagan Democrats vote for Obama? The only dead-lock-cinch candidate the Dems could have put up was the one who did not run - Al Gore.

[Tweedling]

It's not impossible. Will the Reagan Democrats vote for Obama? The only dead-lock-cinch candidate the Dems could have put up was the one who did not run - Al Gore.

I don't disagree but simply mentioning Bush and McCain in tandem will not be enough. McCain is by no means a GOP puppet. Some of his biggest critics are republicans claiming he's not conservative enough. I believe the Dems best chance was HRC. BHO brings a little baggage. I also don't believe the "Reagan democrats" are the same group they were in the 80's.