bobbob1313 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 He was, and did not really set the world on fire as a starter. He was given 25 starts as a 24 and 25 year old, that wasn't a big enough sample to prove one way or the other. but his ML peripheral stats are pretty much the same as his MiL ones, so I don't see why he couldn't have been a 4 ERA starter. That team has cost him many, many millions of dollars. If I was him, I'd be pissed. Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 He was given 25 starts as a 24 and 25 year old, that wasn't a big enough sample to prove one way or the other. but his ML peripheral stats are pretty much the same as his MiL ones, so I don't see why he couldn't have been a 4 ERA starter. That team has cost him many, many millions of dollars. If I was him, I'd be pissed.He is. You should see the look he gets on his face sometimes. I was in favor of making him a starter, but got overruled. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 He is. You should see the look he gets on his face sometimes. I was in favor of making him a starter, but got overruled. Yeah, that 4 era as a starter would be getting him about 10 million more than a 3.5 era as a reliever... Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Does anyone think the "pitcher bats 8th" strategy will catch on? To me, this doesn't make sense if you look at the amount of at-bats the 8th and 9th positions will get over the course of a season. Don't you want your worst batter getting the least amount of at-bats? Also - will relief pitching ever return to the old days of bringing in your best relief guy (who is most often the closer nowadays) when your starter is in a sticky situation? I'm assuming that most teams follow the order of 1. Starter 2. Relief 3. Set up 4. Closer, with the most talented pitchers being starters, and the closers being 2nd (in talent). Hm? Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Yeah, that 4 era as a starter would be getting him about 10 million more than a 3.5 era as a reliever...He signed a 1.2 mil one-year deal in January. When he gets to be a free agent, we'll see what he gets. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Does anyone think the "pitcher bats 8th" strategy will catch on? To me, this doesn't make sense if you look at the amount of at-bats the 8th and 9th positions will get over the course of a season. Don't you want your worst batter getting the least amount of at-bats? Also - will relief pitching ever return to the old days of bringing in your best relief guy (who is most often the closer nowadays) when your starter is in a sticky situation? I'm assuming that most teams follow the order of 1. Starter 2. Relief 3. Set up 4. Closer, with the most talented pitchers being starters, and the closers being 2nd (in talent). Hm? This is a totally sensible first post in a baseball thread, excellent work. I agree with both of these hypotheses. Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Does anyone think the "pitcher bats 8th" strategy will catch on? To me, this doesn't make sense if you look at the amount of at-bats the 8th and 9th positions will get over the course of a season. Don't you want your worst batter getting the least amount of at-bats? Also - will relief pitching ever return to the old days of bringing in your best relief guy (who is most often the closer nowadays) when your starter is in a sticky situation? I'm assuming that most teams follow the order of 1. Starter 2. Relief 3. Set up 4. Closer, with the most talented pitchers being starters, and the closers being 2nd (in talent). Hm?1. Maybe, depending on the pitcher. Good hitting pitchers I would consider batting 8th, but no others.2. "Bullpen by committee" is still seen from time to time, but today's pitchers get insecure or something when they don't have a "defined" role. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I have to say I think the Marlins do a very good job managing the pen. Their best relievers are used when the situation is tightest, and Gregg's job as closer is very stress free, generally. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I think most teams would benefit from a bullpen ace model instead of relying so heavily on save situations. And I think a lot of guys would be happy with that role. If the closer is your best relief pitcher, which on most teams he is, he'd be of better use in certain tough situations earlier in the game. He should be used more frequently in tie games or games where you're down a run, and less frequently with a 3 run lead with one out in the 9th. Those are the situations where you really need your best guy. Anyone in your bullpen should be able to be relied upon to hold a 3 run lead for 1 inning. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Also, really. Is there even a doubt who the best SS in the NL east is? I'll give you a hint, he's also probably the very best hitter in the whole NL. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Also, really. Is there even a doubt who the best SS in the NL east is? I'll give you a hint, he's also probably the very best hitter in the whole NL.David Eckstein plays in the AL East. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Did anyone see John Danks' excellent line on 4/20? 7IP 3H, 0BB, 8K. It'd be nice if he came into his own this year. I'm not as convinced by Floyd's start. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Did the Cubs throw the 1918 World Series? Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 David Eckstein plays in the AL East. "BEANDIP!!" But really, I'm enamored with Hanley. I keep on using superlatives to talk about him. I'm gonna be really bummed if he leaves. Link to post Share on other sites
Oil Can Boyd Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Josh Beckett misses a start with a stiff neck. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 The Marlins looked not so good today against the Pirates. Let's take the rubber match. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 "BEANDIP!!" But really, I'm enamored with Hanley. I keep on using superlatives to talk about him. I'm gonna be really bummed if he leaves.Damn, it grit you long enough to respond, gritty. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Looks like Miguel Cabrera's days as the Tigers thirdbaseman are over. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 Reds fire Krivsky, hire Jocketty:http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8061930...y-in-as-Reds-GM Demolition for Tiger Stadium:http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMo...230832120080422 Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 yay Reds Link to post Share on other sites
benjamin Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Demolition for Tiger Stadium:http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMo...230832120080422 Sigh........... I had the honor of attending the final game at Tiger's stadium. What a great day... Where have you gone Robert Fick? Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 It's absurd that Tiger Stadium remained standing as long as it did. It wasn't being maintained, and uses up a huge piece of land. But it still makes me sad to see it go. Lots of great memories there. I will have to go pay my last respects. For those who are interested, today Uniwatch linked this collection of recent Tiger Stadium pictures. Apparently the city let a small group of photographers in within the last couple of weeks and there are a lot of great shots there. A lot of it looks just like I remember it, but there's also a lot of things crumbling, and some plants growing in seats. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 and some plants growing in seats.Not unlike Comerica Park this season, I'd imagine. Link to post Share on other sites
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