Moe_Syzlak Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I don't know what the hell "Alt.Country" is but Steve Earle is on Letterman on Friday. Rawk! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GtrPlyr Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I could give two shits what you or others want to categorize him as. Townes Van Zandt is country music.To me Townes' music is just as much Folk as it is Country (with some blues in there too.) If he were around today he'd probably be lumped into the Americana section with the likes of Lucinda Williams. And speaking of bands that came before the "alt-country" tag, we can't forget Rank and File (and Alejandro Escovedo in general.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I'm not jabbing at anyone, calm down. The conversation was starting to turn to an "I'm right, you're wrong" type of thing, which is dumb when discussing something as obviously subjective as this. There is no universally agreed upon definition of what anyone genre means, which is why something like this is up for discussion, and should be discussed. But condescending posts that basically write off someone's opinion make it not worth discussing. I don't know if you were looking for a fight, or something, but you totally misunderstood the intent of my post. Whatever. I think there is a definition - we just like to bend it. It's not opinion - it's the work of whoever makes up this genres names and time periods. If someone can offer proof that Buck Owens music was called alt.country in 1965, for example, then I will accept it. But, to me, and I believe Jeff speaks of this in the Kot book, alt. country was a mixture of country and punk/hardcore music. I, like many others, often say "I hate labels" or whatever. But, what do you say when someone asks you what kind of music you are into? I say alt.country (no one outside of people like you find here knows what that is), old heavy metal (not nu metal), British blues (not delta blues), 60s rock (not Motown). It's all nuts, right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NightOfJoy Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 A-man....your cowpunk link reminded me of a few of bands I saw way back when and had totally forgotten about.........the Hickoids and Dash Rip Rock....and then there's Nashville Pussy, who I was certain was gonna revive the entire rock genre with the sheer power and spectacle of their live show.....ah, good times..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Paisley Underground I forgot to mention that one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Townes is freaking amazing, most 'country music' is horrible. Uncle Tupelo is awesome, most 'alt country' is weak. I'd say you could plug new names into those sentences and write them about 20 times before you'd run out of candidates. This seems to be true of all genres. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I think there is a definition - we just like to bend it. It's not opinion - it's the work of whoever makes up this genres names and time periods. If someone can offer proof that Buck Owens music was called alt.country in 1965, for example, then I will accept it. But, to me, and I believe Jeff speaks of this in the Kot book, alt. country was a mixture of country and punk/hardcore music. I, like many others, often say "I hate labels" or whatever. But, what do you say when someone asks you what kind of music you are into? I say alt.country (no one outside of people like you find here knows what that is), old heavy metal (not nu metal), British blues (not delta blues), 60s rock (not Motown). It's all nuts, right. I say I like rock music and hip hop. Sometimes, if I'm feeling lazy, I'll use 'pop' as a catch all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TCP Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 People who get picky over what is "alt-country" are just scensters. Alt-county is the same as county-rock and the two terms should be used interchangeably. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the carlos Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I'm not jabbing at anyone, calm down. The conversation was starting to turn to an "I'm right, you're wrong" type of thing, which is dumb when discussing something as obviously subjective as this. There is no universally agreed upon definition of what anyone genre means, which is why something like this is up for discussion, and should be discussed. But condescending posts that basically write off someone's opinion make it not worth discussing.just for the record you have done this to me a few times so... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kicking_Television Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 putting together this list without still feel gone or anodyne is like putting together a list of the top 10 beatles records without any beatles records LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I say I like rock music and hip hop. Sometimes, if I'm feeling lazy, I'll use 'pop' as a catch all. Well, do you know the song Generic America by the great alt. country band that never seems to get their due, Blue Mountain? Stop being lazy - it does not get you anywhere at the end of the day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 just for the record you have done this to me a few times so... Huh? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrNo Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 People who get picky over what is "alt-country" are just scensters. Alt-county is the same as county-rock and the two terms should be used interchangeably. Totally not the same. If that's true than the Eagles are alt-country. And I hate the fuckin' Eagles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Totally not the same. If that's true than the Eagles are alt-country. And I hate the fuckin' Eagles. They ain't - they are easy listening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe_Syzlak Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 They ain't - they are easy listening.Like Sky Blue Sky? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CortezTheKiller Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Townes is freaking amazing, most 'country music' is horrible.You haven't dug deep enough. the great alt. country band that never seems to get their due, Blue Mountain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Like Sky Blue Sky? Wikipedia list them this way:Genre(s) Rock, country rock, soft rock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ction Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I think there must be something wrong with the original link...I didn't see Drag the River listed anywhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe_Syzlak Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Wikipedia list them this way:Genre(s) Rock, country rock, soft rock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CortezTheKiller Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 To me Townes' music is just as much Folk as it is Country (with some blues in there too.) If he were around today he'd probably be lumped into the Americana section with the likes of Lucinda Williams.I'll buy that. But I refuse to say he's "alt.country." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I always took alternative country to mean a mix of alternative and country rather than an alternative to country. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I always took alternative country to mean a mix of alternative and country rather than an alternative to country. What does alternative refer to in your definition? Punk/Hardcore music? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 What does alternative refer to in your definition? Punk/Hardcore music?punk/indie...etc - I always thought of Uncle Tupelo as a cross between the Replacements and traditional country. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the carlos Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I wonder where prefixmag is. I mean wouldn't you think they would want to be part of the discussion. ha. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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