Congrats to President-Elect OBAMA

[EL the Famous]

completely un-scientific, but the reasons for the surprisingly large % of some of my college buddies voting for mccain have nothing to do w/ faith-based rationale and EVERYTHING to do w/ a perceived 'redistribution of wealth' they find to be counterproductive to their financial well-being.

 

more blunly, they're pissed they 'work their asses off and people are going to get hand-outs.' i've diffused the argument as much as possible, but economics are still the reasons they can't bring themselves to vote for Obama.

 

whatever. i believe the rationale for a lot of those mccain supporters is much greyer than a black/white 'god/no god' thing.

[Sir Stewart]

I have to wonder - when people say they want to choose how to spend the money they've worked so hard for instead of the government taking it, are they envisioning some sort of system where you write checks once a year labeled "My Town's Roads and Infrastructure" and stuff like that?

[mountain bed]

I have to wonder - when people say they want to choose how to spend the money they've worked so hard for instead of the government taking it, are they envisioning some sort of system where you write checks once a year labeled "My Town's Roads and Infrastructure" and stuff like that?

That's exactly right. Some of those same people are the first to whine when they have to get a front-end alignment because of "all of these coddamn potholes".

[quarter23cd]

I have to wonder - when people say they want to choose how to spend the money they've worked so hard for instead of the government taking it, are they envisioning some sort of system where you write checks once a year labeled "My Town's Roads and Infrastructure" and stuff like that?

Toll booths every 5 feet. Make sure you sign up for EZ-Pass or you'll be screwed.

[jakobnicholas]

But you are right that it's a travesty for any Christian to ignore the message that humanity's first goal should be to care for the last, the least and the lost.

 

 

 

I agree 100 percent.

 

 

And the unborn are at the head of that list.

 

 

 

Many, many, many people believe stongly in the sanctity of life. And it scares many people that someone like Obama (with the help of a Democratic congress) can pass bills that will basically allow abortions to be anywhere, at anytime for anyone without any questions asked.

 

 

Yeah, many other issues are important. But ask the Catholic church what IT'S number one crisis is. The answer will be a moral crisis....namely the rights of the unborn.

 

 

 

(Contiune your thrashing of relgious nuts)

[sweetheart-mine]

What's everyone doing for election night? We're hosting a small get together.

 

husband is refusing to come home tomorrow until after 7 p.m., to spare himself my state of surreal anxiety for most of the day. then, if and when obama wins, we call all our ecstatic friends. then we take our champagne. we put it and ourselves in our truck and drive to massachusetts to pick up my sister. the three of us then drive to mom's place in southern mass. and drink and celebrate the gigantic relief and thrill the rest of the night and all day wednesday. drive home happily exhausted on thursday morning.

[jakobnicholas]

Solace wrote:

 

"o rly?

 

then why does McCain (and most often Republicans) pull in a huge majority of the voters without a high school diploma and Obama (and often Dems) have huge leads among folks with college degrees?"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, so you need a college diploma to prove your smart enough to vote? Only those with college diplomas know what's going on in America?

 

 

The eliticism on this board makes me puke.

[explodo]

Yeah, many other issues are important. But ask the Catholic church what IT'S number one crisis is. The answer will be a moral crisis....namely the rights of the unborn.

So they're past the sex abuse thing then?

[Winston Legthigh]

Many, many, many people believe stongly in the sanctity of life. And it scares many people that someone like Obama (with the help of a Democratic congress) can pass bills that will basically allow abortions to be anywhere, at anytime for anyone without any questions asked.

Right, but what has the GOP done to legislate that life begins at conception? Nothing? oh.

[Moe_Syzlak]

I agree 100 percent.

 

 

And the unborn are at the head of that list.

 

 

 

Many, many, many people believe stongly in the sanctity of life. And it scares many people that someone like Obama (with the help of a Democratic congress) can pass bills that will basically allow abortions to be anywhere, at anytime for anyone without any questions asked.

 

 

Yeah, many other issues are important. But ask the Catholic church what IT'S number one crisis is. The answer will be a moral crisis....namely the rights of the unborn.

 

 

 

(Contiune your thrashing of relgious nuts)

 

I completely understand this point of view. I don't share it, but I understand it. The fact is there is no easy answer to this. I like how Clinton used to say it, "abortions should be safe , legal and rare." Those pro-lifers that argue that they are protecting the life of an unborn child will never agree with those of us that believe the decision rests with the mother (optimally the parents) and others shouldn't be able to impose their moral and religious views on those who don't share them. Unfortunately for those who are pro-life, I don't believe you will see any elected official actually do anything about Roe v. Wade anytime soon, regardless of who is named to the SC. It just seems too much of an issue that secures the GOPs base and they don't want to lose that. Yes, I am cynical!

[Winston Legthigh]

The eliticism on this board makes me puke.

indeed.

[explodo]

Oh, so you need a college diploma to prove your smart enough to vote? Only those with college diplomas know what's going on in America?

He never said that. Your cartoon strip was suggesting something that is certifiably not true, and he was just making sure you were aware. There are plenty of idiots on both sides, but the higher the education level, the more likely a person is to vote Democratic.

[Sir Stewart]

Solace wrote:

 

"o rly?

 

then why does McCain (and most often Republicans) pull in a huge majority of the voters without a high school diploma and Obama (and often Dems) have huge leads among folks with college degrees?"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, so you need a college diploma to prove your smart enough to vote? Only those with college diplomas know what's going on in America?

 

 

The eliticism on this board makes me puke.

How about a high school diploma?

[explodo]

It just seems too much of an issue that secures the GOPs base and they don't want to lose that.

To be fair, the Dems do this with poverty.

[austrya]

I agree 100 percent.

 

 

And the unborn are at the head of that list.

 

 

 

Many, many, many people believe stongly in the sanctity of life. And it scares many people that someone like Obama (with the help of a Democratic congress) can pass bills that will basically allow abortions to be anywhere, at anytime for anyone without any questions asked.

 

 

Yeah, many other issues are important. But ask the Catholic church what IT'S number one crisis is. The answer will be a moral crisis....namely the rights of the unborn.

 

 

 

(Contiune your thrashing of relgious nuts)

 

You do realize that McCain supports abortions in the event of rape, incest, and when the mother's life depends on it. That's not 100% pro life.

 

I also have a very unscientific theory that there might just actually be less abortions if we can elect a president who will improve healthcare, improve education, improve the economy, improve morale overall.

 

If McCain is elected, R v W will not be overturned. It's the whole platform of the Republican party. What will they have to go on to get the religious right if they don't have abortion?

[Sir Stewart]

I arrived at work this morning to find a notice from the Dem party in my inbox that I GOT TICKETS to Obama's rally!!!

 

This is gonna be very cool.........me and friends rented some office space right at Roosevelt and Michigan....and I have two tickets.......good thing I took Wed off

 

Very cool. Congrats.

[Moe_Syzlak]

To be fair, the Dems do this with poverty.

Oh sure, I wasn't trying ot say the GOP is any worse than the Dems, I was just talking about this specific issue. If Roe v. Wade is over-turned, I could see this being an issue that rallies the Dem base too. And, to an extent, it does now. Just not to the level that it does for the GOP.

[JUDE]

I have to wonder - when people say they want to choose how to spend the money they've worked so hard for instead of the government taking it, are they envisioning some sort of system where you write checks once a year labeled "My Town's Roads and Infrastructure" and stuff like that?

 

I actually write those checks twice a year, May 15 and September 15. I call them the Parks, Roads and Schools for kids I don

[Central Scrutinizer]

I agree 100 percent.

 

And the unborn are at the head of that list.

 

Many, many, many people believe stongly in the sanctity of life. And it scares many people that someone like Obama (with the help of a Democratic congress) can pass bills that will basically allow abortions to be anywhere, at anytime for anyone without any questions asked.

 

Yeah, many other issues are important. But ask the Catholic church what IT'S number one crisis is. The answer will be a moral crisis....namely the rights of the unborn.

 

(Contiune your thrashing of relgious nuts)

I'm glad you brought this up, because if the Republicans and the choice of the "religious right" were actually polar opposite from Obama on this issue, why couldn't they accomplish anything against abortion in the six years they controlled the three branches of federal government?

 

And like the "redistribute the wealth" your characterizaton is typical hyberbole that detracts from debate of the real issues.

[MrRain422]

Many, many, many people believe stongly in the sanctity of life. And it scares many people that someone like Obama (with the help of a Democratic congress) can pass bills that will basically allow abortions to be anywhere, at anytime for anyone without any questions asked.

 

What questions do you think should be asked?

[Central Scrutinizer]

I completely understand this point of view. I don't share it, but I understand it. The fact is there is no easy answer to this. I like how Clinton used to say it, "abortions should be safe , legal and rare." Those pro-lifers that argue that they are protecting the life of an unborn child will never agree with those of us that believe the decision rests with the mother (optimally the parents) and others shouldn't be able to impose their moral and religious views on those who don't share them. Unfortunately for those who are pro-life, I don't believe you will see any elected official actually do anything about Roe v. Wade anytime soon, regardless of who is named to the SC. It just seems too much of an issue that secures the GOPs base and they don't want to lose that. Yes, I am cynical!

Well and pro-lifers also want small government so that a woman who must raise a child borne from abuse or poverty has no where to turn for any sort of help. Because it was her choice and they want to protect her from being a welfare mother. But they will chastise her for having a child out of wedlock. You'd never see that happen among the righ ... ooh...

[John Smith]

completely un-scientific, but the reasons for the surprisingly large % of some of my college buddies voting for mccain have nothing to do w/ faith-based rationale and EVERYTHING to do w/ a perceived 'redistribution of wealth' they find to be counterproductive to their financial well-being.

 

more blunly, they're pissed they 'work their asses off and people are going to get hand-outs.' i've diffused the argument as much as possible, but economics are still the reasons they can't bring themselves to vote for Obama.

 

whatever. i believe the rationale for a lot of those mccain supporters is much greyer than a black/white 'god/no god' thing.

 

This is exactly the heart of the matter. The ones I know this is the argument for keeping republicans in power, the black/white and religious stuff is simply the mechanism for getting the vote out. The ones I know still view the world through very old lenses and see taxes as being a way to give hand outs to the undeserving, mainly blacks in cities and the poor who are

[Analogman]

Over 80,000 Have Complained About Voting Problems

 

Today, Barbara Anwine of the Election Protection Coalition (1-866-OUR-VOTE), a nonpartisan group, told MSNBC about voter suppression tactics they have witnessed around the country.

 

The group says it has received over 80,000 voter calls at the Election Protection Command Center.

 

Some emerging trends:

 

- Broward County leads Florida in voter requests for assistance.

 

- Registration-related problems rank #1 in nearly every battleground state - hundreds of calls focus on that problem, most often in Texas, New York, New Jersey, Georgia, Florida, Colorado, and California

 

- Georgia voters are reporting more incidents of voter intimidation than any other state. Other reports of voter intimidation, scams or misinformation are also emerging in Ohio and Missouri.

 

- Florida voters rank #1 in requests related to criminal status and voting.

 

- Early voting problems are also being noticed, particularly Ohio, Missouri, Georgia, Florida and California

[Sir Stewart]

I actually write those checks twice a year, May 15 and September 15. I call them the Parks, Roads and Schools for kids I don't have checks that are based on my property value. Oh wait and since I own 4 other homes in other cities I get to write like ten of those checks a year. And the best thing is since those four are rentals I get to pay at a higher non-homestead rate.

 

Nice try being overly simplistic on a complex issue.

 

I was sincerely asking, believe it or not - it only came across as simplistic because I'm kind of simple. Nice way of being a dick in your response though.

[JUDE]

I was sincerely asking believe it or not - it only came across as simplistic because I'm kind of simple. Nice way of being a dick in your response though.

 

 

OK how about this, how much is enough? Don't throw out an arbitrary 250K-income threshold. Just give me a number. Let's just say OK JUDE we think it's fair for you to pay a 7% property tax annually, 9% Minnesota State income tax, a 7% Minnesota Sales tax on everything you purchase (except some foods and clothing) and a 20% Federal Income Tax rate. Does that work?

 

Or am I simply being selfish because I may actually expect some sort of reward i.e. possibly a higher standard of living from putting forth a bit of extra effort and some work rather than being satisfied seeing a good portion of the fruits of my labors being taken and often times squandered?