cryptique Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 We should start a movement called "SAVE FIRE JOE MORGAN!" I just like the juxtaposition of those first two words. Link to post Share on other sites
mfwahl Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Was this posted? What do you think BB?The Cubs acquired one year of reliever Kevin Gregg for six of Jose Ceda yesterday. Chicago teams apparently went 0 for 2 yesterday, as the reactions favor the Marlins. Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Dont think Cubs will resign Kerry Wood. Too bad, dont care too much really. Any you guys interested in having him? Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Yeah, FJM was the best sports site on the web, IMO. Funny, insightful writing, mostly picking apart bad sports journalism (Joe Morgan, yes, but also pretty much every other bad ESPN or Fox personality, and any baseball writer who ever wrote anything stupid). One of the guys who wrote it is a writer on the Office. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Was this posted? What do you think BB? Great move for the Marlins. Gregg isn't very good, and he's absolutely infuriating to watch. I like what I've read on this Ceda kid. Sure, he's got some weight issues, but he can throw 100. Like I said yesterday, the Marlins might have 5 guys in their bullpen that can top out at at least 97-98, with 2 that can hit 100. That's pretty awesome. Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Dont think Cubs will resign Kerry Wood. Too bad, dont care too much really. Any you guys interested in having him?He is apparently the Mets' Plan C for closer. Link to post Share on other sites
CrushOfVeils80 Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Great move for the Marlins. Gregg isn't very good, and he's absolutely infuriating to watch. I like what I've read on this Ceda kid. Sure, he's got some weight issues, but he can throw 100. Like I said yesterday, the Marlins might have 5 guys in their bullpen that can top out at at least 97-98, with 2 that can hit 100. That's pretty awesome. they throw hard but is their movement and do they have a secondary pitch? Or are they Kyle Farnsworthish? Link to post Share on other sites
Leo Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 they throw hard but is their movement and do they have a secondary pitch? Or are they Kyle Farnsworthish?You mean an overrated whiner? Matt Anderson with bad glasses? Link to post Share on other sites
yankhotelfox Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 The Yanks have made an offer to Sabathia....6 years/$140M. They are likely to make offers to Lowe AND Burnett. They also are likely to try to land Jake Peavy through a trade. That said, are they trying to have the first 10 man rotation in baseball? Are they going after Lincecum, Webb, Cliff Lee, Roy Hallady and Cole Hamels too. Cuz if so...that would be sweet. You can't have too much pitching and, lets face it, the gluttony that defines free agency and the MLB market knows no financial bounds. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 I read that they wanted either Burnett or Lowe. So they're pursuing one in case they don't land the other. So if they landed everyone they want (and they won't), that would leave them with a rotation of Sabathia, Wang, Burnett or Lowe, Chamberlain, Pettitte. Mussina is probably going to retire, and Kennedy and Hughes will likely be either traded or at least demoted to the pen. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Possible trade brewing: Julio Lugo for either Dontrelle Willis or Nate Robertson. Link to post Share on other sites
Oil Can Boyd Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 I read that they wanted either Burnett or Lowe. So they're pursuing one in case they don't land the other. So if they landed everyone they want (and they won't), that would leave them with a rotation of Sabathia, Wang, Burnett or Lowe, Chamberlain, Pettitte. Mussina is probably going to retire, and Kennedy and Hughes will likely be either traded or at least demoted to the pen.Don't forget Clemens ... Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 Pujols named NL MVP:http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...sp&c_id=mlb Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Pujols named NL MVP:http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...sp&c_id=mlbEh. Was St. Louis anywhere close to the playoffs? Not that valuable, in my eyes, then. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 They were 4 games out of the wildcard. He had a monster season. Way better than Howard or, say, Ramirez. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 I'd say it's well-earned, as well. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Eh. Was St. Louis anywhere close to the playoffs? Not that valuable, in my eyes, then. Are you kidding? Are you joking? So he can't be the MVP because he can't pitch also? He had one of the handful of greatest hitting seasons ever (Top 50 for sure), and he's the best defensive first baseman in baseball. He's absolutely the MVP, and there should be no question. Without him, that team doesn't win 75 games. They aren't even in the discussion without him. The idea of the MVP only going to a player from a playoff team bugs me, especially if there's nobody who deserves it on a playoff team. Ryan Howard wasn't even the most valuable player on his own team, Manny was only there for 2 months, and Braun was 4th on his own team in On Base Percentage. FireJoeMorgan sums the argument up perfectly: You're right. Albert Pujols did not nearly pitch well enough, or for enough innings (Can you believe zero innings? What a bum!) for the Cardinals to to make the playoffs. (The Phillies had a team ERA of 3.88; the Cardinals 4.19. Albert Pujols? More like Albert Not A Very Good Pitching Coach!) Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I believe 100% that bjorn was baiting up there. Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I don't really have a problem with the MVP award going to a player on a non-playoff team. If there were two candidates who had very similar seasons and one played for a playoff team while the other didn't, I'd likely favor the dude who went to the playoffs -- but I don't think that's the case this year. Hell, there have been MVPs on last-place teams in the past. Andre Dawson of the '87 Cubs comes to mind. Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I believe 100% that bjorn was baiting up there.80 percent. I have a personal belief that unless you led your team to at least serious contention for the post-season (I don't think the Cards were ever really that close) then you are not the most valuable player of a league. Maybe they should devise an award for best individual performance, which I would gladly give to Pujols. As far as NL MVP (as I define it) I would give it to Manny Ramirez, who pretty much on his own got the Dodgers into the playoffs. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 80 percent. I have a personal belief that unless you led your team to at least serious contention for the post-season (I don't think the Cards were ever really that close) then you are not the most valuable player of a league. Maybe they should devise an award for best individual performance, which I would gladly give to Pujols. As far as NL MVP (as I define it) I would give it to Manny Ramirez, who pretty much on his own got the Dodgers into the playoffs.MOP - Most Outstanding Player Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 MOPWJTN Link to post Share on other sites
CrushOfVeils80 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 kind of a watered down MVP race in the NL this year, hard to find a clear cut favorite In the AL you have Pedroia, Youkilis, Joe Mauer, and Josh Hamilton who all deserve some votes Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 kind of a watered down MVP race in the NL this year, hard to find a clear cut favorite In the AL you have Pedroia, Youkilis, Joe Mauer, and Josh Hamilton who all deserve some votes ALBERT PUJOLS WAS THE CLEAR CUT FAVORITE! Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 There are actual official criteria for the MVP voting, you know. 1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.2. Number of games played.3. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort.4. Former winners are eligible.5. Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team. Nothing in the official criteria says anything about the quality of the team a guy plays for. I understand that the definition of "valuable" is vague, and for that I agree that in cases where there are multiple candidates that team success is a decent tie breaker. But playing on a poor team (and Pujols's team wasn't even that bad) isn't really proof that a player wasn't valuable. How good would the Cardinals have been without Pujols? Sure, he wasn't good enough to singlehandedly put them in the playoffs, but not too many players are that good (I would say none actually). How much better might the Phillies have been if they'd had Pujols at firstbase instead of Howard? Missing the playoffs doesn't mean a player was any less valuable, it could just mean that the rest of his team was less valuable than the rest of some other guy's team. Pujols had an absolutely ridiculous season and to not give him the award because the rest of his team wasn't great would be a travesty, IMO. This isn't an instance of picking one out of many qualified candidates -- Pujols was far and away the best player in the National League this year. Link to post Share on other sites
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