Analogman Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 I saw that at the theater also. I think the first one I saw was The Wall. I'd run the GD movie, and The Song Remains The Same. I'd also run the GD movie Sunshine Daydream. Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I saw that at the theater also. I think the first one I saw was The Wall. I'd run the GD movie, and The Song Remains The Same. I'd also run the GD movie Sunshine Daydream. All those would be cool, I wonder if a copy of Sunshine Daydream was ever played on the big screen?You will also have to play some early to mid 80s Maiden and Priest concert films, you know to get the metal heads to the theaters. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 All those would be cool, I wonder if a copy of Sunshine Daydream was ever played on the big screen?You will also have to play some early to mid 80s Maiden and Priest concert films, you know to get the metal heads to the theaters. I'd go for that, although, my hair's too thin to whip around now. I bet it has been shown before. Link to post Share on other sites
HungryHippo Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 While I have been into the GD since I was 13, I have only recently started devouring their live shows. I was just wondering what some of your favorite jam sequences are? I am currently enjoying the Playing in the Band> Uncle John's Band> Morning Dew> Uncle John's Band> Playing in the Band from 3/23/74 (Dick's Picks 24.) Link to post Share on other sites
dagwave Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 where to start..., wait, i'm not qualified.... paging analogman.analogman, please pick up the grey (brown-eyed?) courtesy phone. Link to post Share on other sites
HungryHippo Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 where to start..., wait, i'm not qualified.... paging analogman.analogman, please pick up the grey (brown-eyed?) courtesy phone.Do you have any favs, dagwave? I just discovered that dead.net has a Jam of the Week page on their site which features an unspecified jam each week. Of course, the first couple of posters always post the track listing which spoils some of the fun, but it is interesting regardless! Jam of the Week Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted May 1, 2011 Author Share Posted May 1, 2011 where to start..., wait, i'm not qualified.... paging analogman.analogman, please pick up the grey (brown-eyed?) courtesy phone. There is also the Taper's Section at the same place Mr. Hippo pointed out. I'm just a novice. You should get Mountain Bed to post here. I would tell you to the get GD Taper's Books and read through those, but they are out of print, and cost a fortune. Maybe you can decide on a year, or years, and dig around among all the dead shows at Archive.org. You could also dig around in the other GD threads on here. You will find links to those on the first page of this thread. There is also this site: Grateful Dead Listening Guide Here are some I have bookmarked: Grateful Dead Live at The Matrix on 1968-10-30Grateful Dead Live at Student Center, Modesto Jr. College on 1969-03-28Grateful Dead Live at Fillmore East on 1970-09-20Grateful Dead Live at Felt Forum - Madison Square Garden on 1971-12-05 If you want actual FLAC files of shows, there are of course hundreds and hundreds of GD shows up at bt.etree.org. Link to post Share on other sites
Vacant Horizon Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 start with 1977 then move forward or back. anything from that year is stellar and interesting. next maybe 74. i have a soft spot for 80-81 and 1990. isn't cornell like the first bootleg everyone got? Link to post Share on other sites
dagwave Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 thanks for asking! for the last year or so i've been in a 73 mode. heavy rotation with a lot of the jams surrounding eyes. and much of what bounces around the 73/74 playin's are usually toasty. one of my favorite jams is the 79 stanley theater (pittsburgh) out of he's gone. 12-1-79. i think i'm gonna put it on right now, come to think of it! and of course some of the fillmore 71 stuff...impossible riffing...it can wear a guy out.also- some of the quintet stuff (my favorite w herring/haynes): cumberland and viola based .....magical! Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 and of course some of the fillmore 71 stuff...impossible riffing...it can wear a guy out. The 4/71 Fillmore shows are some of my favorites, too. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 start with 1977 then move forward or back. anything from that year is stellar and interesting. next maybe 74. i have a soft spot for 80-81 and 1990. isn't cornell like the first bootleg everyone got? Not the first but the first pristine quality board, yes. The Betty boards are sometimes said to be overrated but I think that's only because soooooo much excellent quality material is available to us now. Back in the 80s that Cornell tape (and ones similar) were Godsends. My recommendation is to go to archives.org and hunt around on your own for stuff that is appealing to your ear. Experoment with the different eras on your own to see if anything resonates with you. If something does, you're in luck. Experimenting/discovering the nuances of the band was fond, fond times. With thousands of hours of material at my disposal I still haven't listened to it, too..... Link to post Share on other sites
Vacant Horizon Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Not the first but the first pristine quality board, yes. The Betty boards are sometimes said to be overrated but I think that's only because soooooo much excellent quality material is available to us now. Back in the 80s that Cornell tape (and ones similar) were Godsends. My recommendation is to go to archives.org and hunt around on your own for stuff that is appealing to your ear. Experoment with the different eras on your own to see if anything resonates with you. If something does, you're in luck. Experimenting/discovering the nuances of the band was fond, fond times. With thousands of hours of material at my disposal I still haven't listened to it, too..... i remember getting cornell. everyone was raving about the Dew on there. i was blown away by phil's bass on the opening of scarlet-fire. so awesome! Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 Not the first but the first pristine quality board, yes. The Betty boards are sometimes said to be overrated but I think that's only because soooooo much excellent quality material is available to us now. Back in the 80s that Cornell tape (and ones similar) were Godsends. My recommendation is to go to archives.org and hunt around on your own for stuff that is appealing to your ear. Experoment with the different eras on your own to see if anything resonates with you. If something does, you're in luck. Experimenting/discovering the nuances of the band was fond, fond times. With thousands of hours of material at my disposal I still haven't listened to it, too..... I'd say her work is probably my most favorite out of all the people who worked on capturing the GD sound. I find the story of how those tapes got out into the world both sad and fascinating. Link to post Share on other sites
Shug Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 While I have been into the GD since I was 13, I have only recently started devouring their live shows. I was just wondering what some of your favorite jam sequences are? I am currently enjoying the Playing in the Band> Uncle John's Band> Morning Dew> Uncle John's Band> Playing in the Band from 3/23/74 (Dick's Picks 24.) Here's a few of my favorites: Dark Star> Eyes of the World> China Doll 2-15-73Playin' in the Band> Uncle John's Band> drums> Not Fade Away> The Wheel> Uncle John's Band> Playin' in the Band 9-6-80Playin'> China Doll> Playin' 8-19-80Crazy Fingers> Supplication jam> High Time 6-27-85Bird Song> Comes A Time 6-28-85 Not sequences, but excellent jams within the song:Dark Star 2-14-70 (goes into St. Stephen> The Eleven> Lovelight)Playin' In The Band and Bird Song 8-27-72Here Comes Sunshine 2-23-74Sugaree and Music Never Stopped 5-5-77Mississippi Half Step 9-3-77 Link to post Share on other sites
HungryHippo Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Thanks for the recommendations everyone! I will be checking some of these out after work tonight. Analogman, I forgot about those taper's books that are now out of print. It would be nice to track those down at affordable prices. And what's the story behind the Betty tapes? Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 Thanks for the recommendations everyone! I will be checking some of these out after work tonight. Analogman, I forgot about those taper's books that are now out of print. It would be nice to track those down at affordable prices. And what's the story behind the Betty tapes? You may be able to find it online somewhere, and it is told in a couple of interviews in the books. Short version - Supposedly, the band or band management would not pay her some money she was due, so she held on to the tapes. She had the tapes stored in a storage unit, and she did not have the money to pay for storage, so the contents of her storage locker were auctioned off. The tapes were spread from there by those who bought them. Also - many were ruined due to flooding that had taken place in the area. There are some copies of the first volume at Amazon for around 30 bucks. The other two volumes are going to cost you much more than that. Link to post Share on other sites
HungryHippo Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 I ended up reading Betty's story last night. That whole deal sounds unfortunate for all parties involved. As some have speculated, this could be a reason why Cornell '77 and the Old Renaissance Faire, Veneta, OR '72 have yet to be released. I was impressed to hear that she took the initiative to record these shows on her own equipment. I get the impression that recording gigs for her was a labor of love project and not something she did for money. Link to post Share on other sites
jc4prez Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 I ended up reading Betty's story last night. That whole deal sounds unfortunate for all parties involved. As some have speculated, this could be a reason why Cornell '77 and the Old Renaissance Faire, Veneta, OR '72 have yet to be released. I was impressed to hear that she took the initiative to record these shows on her own equipment. I get the impression that recording gigs for her was a labor of love project and not something she did for money. The other factor on those two could be that they are the best circulated shows around. I know they were probably the first two boots I feel in love with. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted May 4, 2011 Author Share Posted May 4, 2011 Mountain Bed reminded me that the other day was the anniversary of the Harpur College show (1970-05-02). That's a show one should most certainly have. It was released as Dick's Picks Number 8. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Hoot, jeer, hoot, jeer.... Play St. Stephen! Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted May 4, 2011 Author Share Posted May 4, 2011 Don't worry man, we've got you all night. Link to post Share on other sites
winterland121072 Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 1976 is a great year to start with - trippy but somewhat tight. try 8.4.1976 or 6.15.1976. 9.28.1975 is a great show. The date right after Cornell 77 is a great show - 5.9.1977. typically - 72-74 is considered their peak years - jerry more on acid than heroin (so i've heard)...deep but intricate jamming from jerry - check out the Truckin' Dark Star from 7.18.1972; or the Other One from 9.17.72 or 9.28.72...many consider the best show ever to be 5.26.1972 (strand)...of course I am partial to 12.10.72 75 - jerry exands in new directions... 76 - band begins touring again - jerry on heroin now...marked change from the Dark Star / Other One era to more discoey / less deep jamming / still some great shows... 77 - heroin jerry but very tight year (not that spacey)... 78 - sluggish and redundant 79 - rebirth with Brent - rebirth in spacey jams 80 - almost 77 with Brent - great year 81 - starting to get 78ish / sluggish again... 82-84 - tough years with occasional great shows but mainly tired jerry... 85 - a bit of rebirth wtih the return of some great songs (cryptical / he had to die) 86 - sloppy / jerry diabetic coma 87 - rebirth - heroin free / some good shows 88 - occasional good shows but getting redundant again 89 - rebirth (jerry back on heroin); dark star returns in teh fall... 90 - through july one of their best years - then brent died... 91-95 - the demise...near the end the shows were difficult to see / hear... Link to post Share on other sites
Shug Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Here's a few of my favorites: Dark Star> Eyes of the World> China Doll 2-15-73Playin' in the Band> Uncle John's Band> drums> Not Fade Away> The Wheel> Uncle John's Band> Playin' in the Band 9-6-80Playin'> China Doll> Playin' 8-19-80Crazy Fingers> Supplication jam> High Time 6-27-85Bird Song> Comes A Time 6-28-85 Not sequences, but excellent jams within the song:Dark Star 2-14-70 (goes into St. Stephen> The Eleven> Lovelight)Playin' In The Band and Bird Song 8-27-72Here Comes Sunshine 2-23-74Sugaree and Music Never Stopped 5-5-77Mississippi Half Step 9-3-77 sorry, Dark Star 2-13-70 is the one I was thinking of (its on Dick's Picks #4), not the 2-14-70. Link to post Share on other sites
Shug Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 1976 is a great year to start with - trippy but somewhat tight. try 8.4.1976 or 6.15.1976. 9.28.1975 is a great show. The date right after Cornell 77 is a great show - 5.9.1977. typically - 72-74 is considered their peak years - jerry more on acid than heroin (so i've heard)...deep but intricate jamming from jerry - check out the Truckin' Dark Star from 7.18.1972; or the Other One from 9.17.72 or 9.28.72...many consider the best show ever to be 5.26.1972 (strand)...of course I am partial to 12.10.72 75 - jerry exands in new directions... 76 - band begins touring again - jerry on heroin now...marked change from the Dark Star / Other One era to more discoey / less deep jamming / still some great shows... 77 - heroin jerry but very tight year (not that spacey)... 78 - sluggish and redundant 79 - rebirth with Brent - rebirth in spacey jams 80 - almost 77 with Brent - great year 81 - starting to get 78ish / sluggish again... 82-84 - tough years with occasional great shows but mainly tired jerry... 85 - a bit of rebirth wtih the return of some great songs (cryptical / he had to die) 86 - sloppy / jerry diabetic coma 87 - rebirth - heroin free / some good shows 88 - occasional good shows but getting redundant again 89 - rebirth (jerry back on heroin); dark star returns in teh fall... 90 - through july one of their best years - then brent died... 91-95 - the demise...near the end the shows were difficult to see / hear... Not a bad summary. But if you are aiming for completeness, you gotta mention 1969, especially if you want the LSD-inspired version of the band and particularly the March Fillmore in SF run that Live Dead was taken from since many Heads feel that year was the peak of live performances, although I don't necessarily agree. Its certainly heavy psychedelic electric rock, not too much of the good vibes happy dancing music or country rock the Dead became so known for later. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Not for nothin' but Weir has said before that he felt the bands peak years, musically, were -87-89. One man's take from inside the machine is all, but an interesting take nonethelesss. I've always appreciated the many styles/eras the band went through, regardless extraneous factors. There were peaks and valleys in every year and every conflaguration of the band (except for fall-winter '73, of course). Link to post Share on other sites
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