bjorn_skurj Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Yeah, really. Anyone who thinks Nugent deserves the least bit of attention for his political beliefs is a either a fool or a fool. Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 not that i really care but hes not discussing political beliefs. hes discussing killing the sitting president and the cabinet. us dems just sit and wonder why hilary rosens comments played for a week striaght and this wont be heard of again. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Ted Nugent is an idiot (not unlike Hank Williams Jr.). His music has sucked since leaving the Amboy Dukes and his politics have been totally reactionary for years. I would never own nor listen to one of his records unless it were unavoidable. Talking about killing Obama is is inexcusable. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 it came to me last night why I am bothered by this whole situation with the Nuge, not only was it the pure lack of respect, but it was where he did it. Nuge is said this during the NRA's annual meeting. Nuge is a board member of the NRA. He was speaking for the NRA. The NRA is a major political player (I think Bleed may even agree with that) and whose chief aims in 2012 is the defeat of Obama. So maybe it is a waste of time for politicians to come out against statements made by celebrities, but Nuge's statements where made on behalf of the NRA. Tweedling said "I'd be willing to bet there aren't many people associated with the NRA that agree with what he's said here." Then why hasn't NRA said anything? The NRA appears to be standing by the comments made by one of their own board members. Nuge was insinuating the murder of a president and other government officials, for f's sake! Rhetoric like this cannot be tolerated. What the Nuge said was different from controversial statements Rush, Maher, Hanniety, etc have made. Even different from threatening to kill Obama and Hillary Clinton in 2008 (which he did a concert). He made these comments as member of an organization who has spent and will spend millions on the upcoming elections. At the very minimum the NRA needs to make a statement, and Nuge needs to be removed from it board. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 The NRA would start losing members if they kick Nuge off the board. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 it came to me last night why I am bothered by this whole situation with the Nuge, not only was it the pure lack of respect, but it was where he did it. Nuge is said this during the NRA's annual meeting. Nuge is a board member of the NRA. He was speaking for the NRA. The NRA is a major political player (I think Bleed may even agree with that) and whose chief aims in 2012 is the defeat of Obama. So maybe it is a waste of time for politicians to come out against statements made by celebrities, but Nuge's statements where made on behalf of the NRA. Tweedling said "I'd be willing to bet there aren't many people associated with the NRA that agree with what he's said here." Then why hasn't NRA said anything? The NRA appears to be standing by the comments made by one of their own board members. Nuge was insinuating the murder of a president and other government officials, for f's sake! Rhetoric like this cannot be tolerated. What the Nuge said was different from controversial statements Rush, Maher, Hanniety, etc have made. Even different from threatening to kill Obama and Hillary Clinton in 2008 (which he did a concert). He made these comments as member of an organization who has spent and will spend millions on the upcoming elections. At the very minimum the NRA needs to make a statement, and Nuge needs to be removed from it board. Do you really think that's what he was saying? Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Do you really think that's what he was saying? Yes, he said and I quote, “We need to ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November. Any questions?” That compounded with statements he has made in the past make me question what he means. I am also dumbfounded with the statement, "If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year." So that either means a) Obama is gonna take him out or he is gonna do something that is gonna get him shot or arrested. He is making a veiled threat, I see it that way. What do you think he meant? Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Yes, he said and I quote, “We need to ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November. Any questions?” That compounded with statements he has made in the past make me question what he means. I am also dumbfounded with the statement, "If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year." So that either means a) Obama is gonna take him out or he is gonna do something that is gonna get him shot or arrested. He is making a veiled threat, I see it that way. What do you think he meant? Come on now...if a football player says, "I hope we kill our opponent next week," do you think that means he wants to actually murder the opposing team? Who knows what that latter statement meant, but I think it's a bit of a leap to state that he is talking about assassinating the president. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I heard on the news that the Secret Service (fresh off of their own scandal) is going to have a talk with Mr. Nugent. I think that will pretty much take care of the problem. No matter how tough the Nuge is, I think the Secret Service can kick his ass if need be. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
Moss Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 He really should apologize for both his statements, and for his role in Damn Yankees. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Come on now...if a football player says, "I hope we kill our opponent next week," do you think that means he wants to actually murder the opposing team? Who knows what that latter statement meant, but I think it's a bit of a leap to state that he is talking about assassinating the president. I can't remember the last time I heard a professional football player use the term kill or murder, I am pretty sure if they did they would get fined. He was speaking metaphorically (hopefully) but what about the comment about being dead or in jail? I can't seem to think what that means. And if anyone needs to apologize for the Damn Yankees it is Bob Fosse. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I can't remember the last time I heard a professional football player use the term kill or murder, I am pretty sure if they did they would get fined. Where have you been the past couple months? Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 C'mon Jules...metaphorical references to battle or war are far worse than monetarily incentivizing maiming a fellow player. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I'm thinking maybe he was threatening to kill himself, in which case...GO FOR IT, TEDDY BOY! I'LL EVEN HAND YOU A GUN! Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 C'mon Jules...metaphorical references to battle or war are far worse than monetarily incentivizing maiming a fellow player. noted Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 The Nuge and the Secret Service had a little talk yesterday and allegedly straightened this all out. No harm no foul. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 “If there is a problem then president Obama is the problem for failing to utilize these tools that he has. This is just about waving a tar baby in the air and saying that something else is the problem. I have never seen a more irresponsible president who is infantile in the way that he continually blames everybody else for his failure to, first, diagnose the problem and, second, to address the problem. It’s always everyone else’s fault. The president is a complete and utter fraud and a hypocrite on this issue, with all due respect to the president.” michele bachman Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 es perfecto Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 To be fair, what President hasn't blamed everybody else? It is a trait of Obama that I don't particularity care for, though. I guess it goes with the job.The Congress has always been a great fall guy, as has big business, banks, unions, Communists....for any President. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 As usual, the President of the US of A is not a fascist dictator so he can't tell every business, all the banks, or nearly any of the fiscal powers that be, what to do. Despite all the right wing crapola about what a socialist Obama is, he isn't at all, The markets are going to do what they do, no matter what he tried to do. Do we need to bring the deficit down? Yup! Do we need to stop waging losing wars that cost billions? That would help. Do we need fair and equitable tax structure (whatever it finally ends up being.??) Yes. Does the President have complete control over all this. Nope, not even for a minute. A thoughtful bi-partisan approach to fixing the ailing economy, along with closer regulations of banks etc, would help, as would bringing down the deficit without throwing the country into a depression. Not an easy job. LoueiB Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 C'mon Jules...metaphorical references to battle or war are far worse than monetarily incentivizing maiming a fellow player. See what you are forgetting here, is that those involved in the NFL bounty scandal were punished. Ted Nugent, other then having his a stern talking to by the secret service, has had nothing happen to him. There is no call for a boycott, there is no call for punishment whatsoever. So the NRA says this type of speech is ok, and no one has a problem with that. Apparently in our current political climate it is ok to call for the death of a sitting president and others who you don't agree with (albeit metaphorically). Where does it stop?? Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 There is no call for a boycott, there is no call for punishment whatsoever. Don't kid yourself.He's being punished. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Don't kid yourself.He's being punished. An editorial on CNN.com is far from being punished. Good for the promoters for the Ft. Knox concert, but on the scale of things, this is nothing. Remember the Dixie Chicks, they where boycotted in 2003 for saying they were embarrassed that the President was from Texas. Guess it is ok to say whatever you want if the President is a Democrat, because Democrats are socialists and they hate America. Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Just further proof that the Right Wing Outrage Machine is much better than the Left Wing Outrage Machine. Where's Al Sharpton when you really need him? Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 You should organize a boycott of any Ted Nugent public appearances and cancel your NRA lifetime membership. Link to post Share on other sites
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