jackelpdw Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 (edited) Just because Tweedy is healthy and drug free doesn't mean he doesn't remember what it felt like to be in that sort of pain. Where as a lot of artists get wasted and stoned and write their songs in a haze of pain and numbness, I think Jeff Tweedy is unique in that as he has gotten healthier he will be able to write even more meaningful songs with his lyrical mind. He truly does have a gift for lyrics and the merging of language to song, and I don't think that's going to go away anytime soon. If there is one man I have faith in to keep putting out high quality music, it is Jeff Tweedy through Wilco. His new health and happiness only gives him more leverage in his songwriting. Who is to say that happy songs can't be artistic and at the same level as his previous songs? Edited July 12, 2006 by jackelpdw Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 http://www.theartistsway.com/?section=2&am...ac293d96bfdb682 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
random painted highway Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Miles Davis was pretty much clean as a whistle when he did "Bitches Brew", and that album was one of the most bold and experimental statements in music. So anything's possible, really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I would argue that Stevie Ray Vaughan's very brief clean period was better than his drug-addled years.Good call I saw SRV a dozen times & he got better imo after he got off the stuff Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 If your art doesn't make you feel better, then what's the point? Or, is any song worth singing if it doesn't help? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackelpdw Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 +15 to bjorn for using wilco lyrics to backup jeff tweedy's actions Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CalebMac Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Hey Chicken Clean Jeff wrote that and it is one awesome tune Quote Link to post Share on other sites
random painted highway Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Hey Chicken Clean Jeff wrote that and it is one awesome tune The same with "Wanted". Besides sounding exactly like Hummingbird, it's got just as much pain in it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CalebMac Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 The same with "Wanted". Besides sounding exactly like Hummingbird, it's got just as much pain in it. Well some of the lyrics from "Wanted" are in "Adult Head" so thats pre-clean-Jeff, but it's still a killer tune!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdlee23 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 http://www.theartistsway.com/?section=2&am...ac293d96bfdb682 Very interesting link. Have you tried this program? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 The only real way to become creative is to read dianetics to rid yourself of those spirits inhabiting and inhibiting your body. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 "Goddamn semantics!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CalebMac Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 "I am really really sick and tired of all this intellectual, poetry, hoity toity, arty, shit"-Jeff Tweedy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
welch79 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Hey Chicken Clean Jeff wrote that and it is one awesome tuneAGREED!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 The Ruling Class is about some of the people in the Rehab clinic Jeff was in, so I'm not sure if Born Again in the USA technically counts as far as being out of the woods with drugs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Kinsley Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 If you are making a mafia movie and hire a former mafia hit-man as a consultant, does his opinion mean less because he's not out there offing people? Jeff has the advantage of having been there (pardon the pun) and having a new, fresh perspective that sobriety, quitting smoking, and running now bring. Sure, the running also comes with a stress fracture, but maybe he can turn that into a new song - "Holy shit, there's a fracture in my fibula!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Miles Davis was pretty much clean as a whistle when he did "Bitches Brew", and that album was one of the most bold and experimental statements in music. So anything's possible, really. In the Neil Young biography he says he thinks the crash of classic rock at the end of the seventies was fueled by cocaine. He said cocaine was responsible for his lousiest performances and that the main reason the Band's Last Waltz isn't quite what it should have been was cocaine. Granted, its not Heroin or OxyCotton but theres one drug a musician says sucked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
miss jayne Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Lucinda Williams, Emmylou Harris, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Richard Thompson, David Hidalgo, Louie Perez, Cesar Rosas, Elvis Costello all doing brillant work later in their lives...I think it gets better and better for many artists. And being clean adds a pretty intense punch to some peoples work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
telekipper Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 If the new songs are any indication of what he is writing drug-free, then I am happy that Jeff has kicked his habits. The new songs are incredible and get better each night. I feel that the next wilco album will be the best one.Is this really about cleaning up? As far as I knew he kicked his Rx addiction after ghost, and is trying to quit smoking now. Whatever he is doing, it's not the rock and roll story with needles broken off in his arm. I doubt his music will be compromised. Now on another note, if he is going to be taking meds for his 'disorder' I am very worried. My philosophy is it is better to feel shitty than feel nothing at all. Not so much the case with corrective anti anxiety meds, but more so along the lines of your prozacs and other anti-depressants. That shit frightens me. Lucinda Williams, Emmylou Harris, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Richard Thompson, David Hidalgo, Louie Perez, Cesar Rosas, Elvis Costello all doing brillant work later in their lives...I think it gets better and better for many artists. And being clean adds a pretty intense punch to some peoples work.May I add the late Stevie Ray? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
telekipper Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 I would argue that Stevie Ray Vaughan's very brief clean period was better than his drug-addled years.I just saw this post shortly after I posted the same thing. Kudos my friend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zanelotti Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) if he is going to be taking meds for his 'disorder' I am very worried. My philosophy is it is better to feel shitty than feel nothing at all. Not so much the case with corrective anti anxiety meds, but more so along the lines of your prozacs and other anti-depressants. That shit frightens me.May I add the late Stevie Ray? You really have no idea. Anti-depressants do not make you "feel nothing at all." Where do you get your information? What do you think is the great distinction between meds for anxiety and for depression? Gee, the one often produces the other, right? And sufferers of anxiety often take the same or similar medications as sufferers of depression. Maybe "that shit frightens" you because you have no idea what you are talking about! By the way, your comments stigmatize people taking meds for depression in a way that is highly insensitive. Are you friends with Tom and Katie? Oh, the scare quotes around disorder is a nice touch on your part. Way to go, downplaying the significance of JT's situation--and if you did not mean to do that perhaps you should communicate more clearly in the future. Edited July 15, 2006 by zanelotti Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 OxyCottonI have a shirt made out of that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
froggie Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Is this really about cleaning up? As far as I knew he kicked his Rx addiction after ghost, and is trying to quit smoking now. he quit smoking in march or april last year, he's said Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aricandover Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 You really have no idea. Anti-depressants do not make you "feel nothing at all." Where do you get your information? What do you think is the great distinction between meds for anxiety and for depression? Gee, the one often produces the other, right? And sufferers of anxiety often take the same or similar medications as sufferers of depression. some do, some don't, it all depends on the reaction one's body has to the drugs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zanelotti Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) some do, some don't, it all depends on the reaction one's body has to the drugs. True, but I was responding to the blanket statement that such drugs make one "feel like nothing," period. Also, a thing to consider is that someone who is depressed might "feel like nothing" anyway, so it might not be the drug itself. "You are on (drug x)? You act like a zombie!" Well, if you are depressed you feel, at best, like a zombie anyway. But your point is well-taken. Edited July 15, 2006 by zanelotti Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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