KNevitt Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Here is the site He Died So that We May LiveHow Nels Cline Saved the Guitar BY BRIAN SMITH The fact that Nels Cline ended up joining Wilco has got to give you hope. Some things do work out. Some things can be good. Just thank god no one ever told Cline that guitar-based rock is "dead." First appearing on a recorded format in 1978 (three tracks on Vinny Golia's Openhearted LP), it wasn't until the early '90s that Cline began to blow things up. The Nels Cline Trio started to make small but noteworthy waves beginning in 1990, with the release of their Silencer CD. By the mid '90s, Cline's name had begun to be preceded by "Have you heard of...." And then in 1997, after teaming up with the still-wonderful Carla Bozulich and an assortment of Los Angeles-based musicians, Cline and the Geraldine Fibbers set the world on fire with Butch. Yeah, but not really Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deepseacatfish Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 I Nels Cline, and really should pick up more of his recordings. His playing definitely helped me to open up my own playing to new ideas, and while I don't know if I'd break Wilco so much into pre-Cline and post-Cline, I'd say he's definitely been a great addition to the band. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adam2 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Name me another guitarist out there who could affect a band and their sound so much in this woeful/wonderful modern-era of rock music. Jay Bennett. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Jay Bennett. I'd give it to you, if they were looking for another multi instrumentalist who could do as much, but on guitar alone I don't know if Bennett's quite as strong of a personality. (sorry rehash, Cline/Bennett debate a'la the last year on here) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Bennett can only play country/rock. Cline can do all and more. Thus a clear winner. Besides being the greatest guitarist to walk this earth, Cline is most possibly one of the coolest dudes ever, especially when you talk to him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adam2 Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Bennett can only play country/rock. Cline can do all and more. Thus a clear winner. Besides being the greatest guitarist to walk this earth, Cline is most possibly one of the coolest dudes ever, especially when you talk to him. Just because you haven't heard him play anything else doesn't mean he can't. And Nels' country/rock playing leaves a lot to be desired. Let's listen to Jay's "Someday Soon" vs. Nels'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jethro Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 (Name me another guitarist out there who could affect a band and their sound so much in this woeful/wonderful modern-era of rock music.)I only wish Nels did have the kind of impact that this guy is talking about. I hear new Wilco songs and unless Nels strapped on a piano it doesn't seem like he's making a huge contribution. I'd have used a song like Via Chicago instead of Hell Is Chrome to show the kind of impact he can have though, Jeff did a really great job with that song - and all the guitar really - on the record. I remember hearing a live version of ALTWYS for the first time and thinking Jay who? Did I mention I think there's too much piano in Wilco right now? No, really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpolak21 Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I only wish Nels did have the kind of impact that this guy is talking about. I hear new Wilco songs and unless Nels strapped on a piano it doesn't seem like he's making a huge contribution. I'd have used a song like Via Chicago instead of Hell Is Chrome to show the kind of impact he can have though, Jeff did a really great job with that song - and all the guitar really - on the record. I remember hearing a live version of ALTWYS for the first time and thinking Jay who? Did I mention I think there's too much piano in Wilco right now? No, really. Yeah and if you want to keep people from clicking on the ignore button, I'd recommend maybe switching it up. We get it, you don't like piano dude and that's fine but you've made your point quite clear and there's no point being a broken record about it. --Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 A good friend turned me onto a Nels/Thurston Moore disc that was just frightening...it almost triggered a flashback! Just for the record,I think Jeff got exactly the right guy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basil II Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I've come to the conclusion that Jay Bennett and Nels Cline are both essential!!! That would be a Wilco worth driving long distances and flying Mende up from down under to see!!! _robert. A good friend turned me onto a Nels/Thurston Moore disc that was just frightening...it almost triggered a flashback! Just for the record,I think Jeff got exactly the right guy. Hmmmmmm....which one wuz that??? -robert. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I've come to the conclusion that Jay Bennett and Nels Cline are both essential!!! That would be a Wilco worth driving long distances and flying Mende up from down under to see!!!_robert.Hmmmmmm....which one wuz that??? -robert.The man who lives "Where no Wilco has gone Before!!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jethro Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Yeah and if you want to keep people from clicking on the ignore button, I'd recommend maybe switching it up. We get it, you don't like piano dude and that's fine but you've made your point quite clear and there's no point being a broken record about it. I don't care if people put me on ignore, I don't even know if I'll hang around here after the new record comes out. I want it to be great and be as excited about it as when YHF and AGIB were released, but so far.. I don't really hate all piano, just rock 'n roll piano. And not even all rock 'n roll piano, the stuff on Being There was great, so maybe I just hate current Wilco piano? Whatever. You probably won't have to deal with my tedious piano bashing much longer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
You Can Be The Stone Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I only wish Nels did have the kind of impact that this guy is talking about. I hear new Wilco songs and unless Nels strapped on a piano it doesn't seem like he's making a huge contribution. I'd have used a song like Via Chicago instead of Hell Is Chrome to show the kind of impact he can have though, Jeff did a really great job with that song - and all the guitar really - on the record. I remember hearing a live version of ALTWYS for the first time and thinking Jay who? Did I mention I think there's too much piano in Wilco right now? No, really. It means that Nels is out to do whatever works for the song; which I'd much rather have than it being the Nels Cline show featuring Wilco (Although the Nels Cline show featuring Wilco would still be awesome) As for a poster above; yes, perhaps Nels is subpar compared to Jay on "Someday Soon"; but the trade-off is Nels probably helps the group dynamic much more; Plus, he takes YHF and Ghost to entirely new levels Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhc Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 It's pretty ridiculous that the writer uses Hell is Chrome - a song and a solo written and recorded by Jeff* - to demonstrate how essential Nels is to the band. Not to mention both Jeff and Nels play that solo live. How about Muzzle of Bees, where Nels actually takes an improved solo over the album version? Or Impossible Germany? I love what Nels brings to the band, and I love his freeform noise-jazz. That said, I've not seen evidence that Nels can really rock the country-rock tunes like Jay could (or he chooses not to). Forget ther Flowers sound positively anemic now - maybe time to let Pat do some chicken pickin' * yes I know Mikael has co-writing credits Quote Link to post Share on other sites
froggie Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 The man who lives "Where no Wilco has gone Before!!" err, january 2003 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Or Impossible Germany? If the writer had used "Impossible Germany" as an example he would have failed as a journalist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oceanman Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Nels' greatest moments are when he's really doing nothing at all.And the fact that when he's really killing it,you can't even tell he's doing anything at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yankhotelfox Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Nels' solo work clearly kicks ass. His addition to the band is terrific and he will take Wilco in an interesting direction. I don't think they are too piano heavy. The current line-up is strong in my opinion. Every show I have seen, since Nels joined Wilco, has rocked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
You Can Be The Stone Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 It's pretty ridiculous that the writer uses Hell is Chrome - a song and a solo written and recorded by Jeff* - to demonstrate how essential Nels is to the band. Not to mention both Jeff and Nels play that solo live. How about Muzzle of Bees, where Nels actually takes an improved solo over the album version? Or Impossible Germany? I love what Nels brings to the band, and I love his freeform noise-jazz. That said, I've not seen evidence that Nels can really rock the country-rock tunes like Jay could (or he chooses not to). Forget ther Flowers sound positively anemic now - maybe time to let Pat do some chicken pickin'* yes I know Mikael has co-writing credits Who cares about "Forget the Flowers"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
froggie Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 Who cares about "Forget the Flowers"? i'm glad to see it back regulary in the set Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yankhotelfox Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 i'm glad to see it back regulary in the set Me too! Good song. They've been playing it often the past year or so after they retired it several times, including going 40,99,36 and 100 shows between '02 and '05 without playing it. Cool stuff...thanks WilcoBase. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adam2 Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 That's what I'm saying. Whenever Jay is mentioned, the main argument against him is that Nels can play the newer stuff better. Obviously. What they never mention is that Nels can not compare to Jay's guitar parts/style. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
You Can Be The Stone Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 That's what I'm saying. Whenever Jay is mentioned, the main argument against him is that Nels can play the newer stuff better. Obviously. What they never mention is that Nels can not compare to Jay's guitar parts/style. So Nels can play a few songs from 10 years ago good, but good enough; he still is amazing at the new material, which is where the band's main priorities are at right now, able to re-invent it, and is probably a more effective creative and collaborative contributor, moreso than Jay's master plan of alienating himself from the group by fiddling with pro tools 'till 6 AM, and trying to make Summerteeth II instead of Yankee Hotel Foxtrot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kalle Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 The band really is the most dynamic they've ever been live, and I really enjoy Nels' guitar playing. Impossible Germany, Company In My Back, and Ashes Of American Flags wouldn't be half as great live without him. I still sort of question what he will be like on record instead of live. p.s. His playing on Kamera at the October 10th show is really great also. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oceanman Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 i'm glad to see it back regulary in the setAnything AM really keeps things fresh these days,especially for those going to several shows a year.The AM era shows are really entertaining to listen too these days,I recently got the DVD of a show at the Fox in Boulder Co. and still blown away,glad to see Jeff's spunk back the past few years!I remember a few YHF shows that rather bored me when it was really chemistry running it's course,then Nels arrives and everyone's happy again.The return of Wilco after the break of canceled shows reassured me that the boys were back. And even after a three year AGIB tour,It's still there,no matter what the setlist.I've been asked why I still go see shows when I wasn't completely blown away by the setlist,and that's why,I love seeing these guys gel together,it's rather entertaining! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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