caliber66 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Everything I've read says that if the Red Sox don't sign him, he's ineligible to play in the US until next year, but I could be wrong. Also, put all the credence you want in what people say players are "worth," but those are general figures and don't take into account team need. Matsuzaka is clearly worth more to the Red Sox than a lot of other teams, and they are consequently willing to pay more. It doesn't matter to them what $ figure David Gassko puts on him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Exactly. Value is not an absolute concept in baseball. When the Mets signed Pedro he was worth more to them than the Red Sox because (1) the Mets were looking for legitimacy whereas the Sox already had it (and were world series champs); (2) the Mets were hoping that Pedro would put fans in the seats whereas the Sox didnt have that issue (as World Series champs); and (3) the Mets were hoping Pedro would attract other big name free agents to come (which the Sox didnt need to worry about as World Series champs). So the Mets may have overpaid for Pedro in baseball terms. Sure. He may never throw another pitch for them. But did they make up for it in jerseys sold and fans in the seats and cache in the season immediately prior to launching their own television network? I dont know for sure, but I am going to guess yes. That's why its silly when you see all these statheads telling you how much money Pedro gets paid per win (which is an off-the-charts number of course). Its a naive way of looking at baseball -- as if those folks still haven't grasped that baseball is as much of a business as it is a sport for these owners. Where are the statheads telling you how many season tickets were sold or same day ticket sales for games in which he pitches or advertising revenue post-Pedro? I promise you thats all that Fred Wilpon cares about. These owners aren't just overpaying for baseball talent. How the heck do you think they got rich enough to own a team? By not being able to figure out that Zito is a proven talent but D-Mat isn't? There are other calculations being made here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Santana is unanimous Cy Young winnerTwins southpaw earns second AL pitching awardBy Kelly Thesier / MLB.com MINNEAPOLIS -- Johan Santana joined an elite group of pitchers on Thursday afternoon when he became just the 14th pitcher in Major League history to win multiple Cy Young Awards. Santana was named the unanimous winner of the 2006 American League Cy Young Award. It's the second time in his career that he has earned the honor bestowed by the Baseball Writers' Association of America. All of Santana's success has come quite quickly, as both Cy Young Awards have come within the past three seasons. Santana won his first Cy Young in 2004 during his first full season as a starter. In 2005, he finished third in the voting. Should be his 3rd consecutive one. He got jobbed last year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 16, 2006 Author Share Posted November 16, 2006 Johan wins the AL Cy Young. No surprise there. It should be three in a row for him. Too bad the writers had their heads up their asses last year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 My mistake, I didn't see it already posted. So MVP is up next, right? What are the chances Johan takes that, too? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 16, 2006 Author Share Posted November 16, 2006 Probably slim. But he deserves it. You know that it's going to Jeter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paul137 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Tigers resign Sean Casey to a one year deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilcology Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 That's smart. I think the Al Central is still going to be the best division in baseball next year. The Indians will be competitive if they can pad their bullpen, and the Royals have some young talent coming up too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chisoxjtrain Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 frank thomas signs a two year, $18 million dollar deal with the blue jays...a big leap from $500,000 huh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 17, 2006 Author Share Posted November 17, 2006 Well, it was $500,000 base salary with a ton of incentive clauses. I don't know exactly how much he made this year, but I'm sure it was at least several million. Good deal for him from the Jays though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I believe the incentives only went up to 3.1 million or thereabouts. Good on him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 A nice piece in yesterday's Baseball Prospectus helping to outline the correct (IMO) belief of money tossed at Matsuzaka for posting rights. Again, looking at the Bhttp://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....3dff40bfffcdccc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I don't think Matsuzaka is enough to put them over the Yankees anyways. It may be enough to have them in the hunt for the Wild card and division, but they have more holes than any of the other teams and this handicaps them more in filling them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Ri-goddamn-diculous money being thrown out there this offseason. The Giants have reportedly made a 3 year, 30 million dollar contract offer to both Juan Pierre and Gary Matthews Jr. and whichever accepts it first is their CFer next year. 10 million a year for Pierre? Wow, absolutely amazing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Ri-goddamn-diculous money being thrown out there this offseason. The Giants have reportedly made a 3 year, 30 million dollar contract offer to both Juan Pierre and Gary Matthew's Jr. and whichever accepts it first is their CFer next year. 10 million a year for Pierre? Wow, absolutely amazing. I find it much more amazing that they are offering $10M to Gary Matthew's penis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Excellent work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2668465 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 Ri-goddamn-diculous money being thrown out there this offseason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris_H_2 Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 $17 million a year for 8 years is a little steep for a CF who has never played the position before. What's next, $15 million over 5 years for Jason Schmidt? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 On another forum I made a bet with the moderator. The bet is if Matsuzaka signs for less than Zito or Schmidt (only counting the first year of the countract), I get banned for 3 weeks. If he signs for more or the same, he gets banned for 3 weeks. Seeing as his contract is undoubtedly going to be shorter than theirs, thus, less backloaded, I think I've got it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 If that report is true, the Cubs (or the Cubs and his new team) will be paying Soriano $18 million/year or whatever when he's 39. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 Probably more since it's probably shaping up to look like this: 610121416182021 With the rest paid out in 4-6 million dollar increments every year after that. This contract is probably ridiculously backloaded in order for it to make sense for them. They are banking on the market to catch up to the actual contract. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 I just realized that for all of the talk about Manny Ramirez's struggles and David Ortiz's successes this year, Manny actually had a better year than him. Amazing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rareair Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 $17 million a year for 8 years is a little steep for a CF who has never played the position before. What's next, $15 million over 5 years for Jason Schmidt? who hits 45 hrs and is fast. i do hope he plays left field but am elated at the overspending. i also think schmidt's arm will explode in the next year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 who hits 45 hrs and is fast. i do hope he plays left field but am elated at the overspending. i also think schmidt's arm will explode in the next year. The guy has been in the top 20 in the majors in Runs Created 2 times. His offense has always been overrated, and now he is one of the 10 best paid players in the game. I'd be hard pressed to say he's a top 40 player if you included pitchers. Last season he finally started walking, and I think was a result of him hitting leadoff, but I don't think the Cubs are smart enough to bat him leadoff, so he'll be back to his old ways of trying to drive in runs instead of waiting for his pitch. I'd be suprised if he OBP's over .330 next year, and I see 35 homers as his absolute peak. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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