Sigur Ros will not sell out.

[Synthesizer Patel]

How is Paul McCartney one of the biggest sell outs in music?

 

I don't really want to get into this argument, because I'm not too bothered one way or the other, but if you believe all the rumours he did sell Denny Laine down the river, for one thing. Unrelated: Have you seen he's knocking around with some married woman at the moment? - I wonder how that will all pan out?

 

Unrelated again: I got the feeling the Bob Dylan Cadillac ad was because he was a DJ on XM, and they are it's sponsors. I guess he feels if he's going to work for the station, then he's going to do it 100%

[jc4prez]

Talk about calling bullshit...one can't improve their financial worth and still be a humanitarian?! Every single one of those artists you've listed have done numerous benefit-related work and contributed large sums of $ to worthwhile causes.

 

Plus, 90% of the 'real people' are out there trying to make more money as much as the next guy. Law of the jungle.

 

 

ahh but ALL of them live beyond their means. ALL of them. Many people are just trying to make a buck for themseleves and its an insane world we live in. I'd call the people you reffered to as PLASTIC.

 

 

You may say I'm a dreamer but I'd call myself a communist (even more so a utlilitarian). There is no reason anyone should have more then anyone else, its really all luck of the draw that ensurs success in our capitalist soceity.

 

 

ETA: the averge person isn't worth admiring, why should you respect someone or better yet idolize them because they have a talent?

[Guest j.bickerson]

I call bullshit. Who knows those bands may have gotten into bed with corporations back then had the corporations been intrested in them. Look forty years later-

 

Paul McCartney is one of the biggest sell outs in music

Dylan is pushing Caddlilacs

Led Zepplin, The Who, and countless others have licensed their songs for commericals

Neil Young finnaly jumped the money train on this tour charing upwards 70 dollars a ticket

I've herd from a few sources that Bob Weir and Mickey Hart both belong to Bohieman Grove

Bowie at Target

This list could on for PAGES! It was fashionable back then for lots of these people to be anit-establishment[sIC]. Now most people don't care (look at this thread). I firmly belive many of those artists were taking advantge of the times. Great song writers and musicans, humanitarians not quite.

 

Thanks for proving my point, jc.

 

There used to be a culture of anti-establishment and music used to be pure. Now the culture has changed, and it is ok for musicians to bend over for the multi-national souless entities. So they do. I'm not saying the musicians in the 60's were better people, but the culture they and we created was better for creating art, and avoiding selling out.

[jc4prez]

Thanks for proving my point, jc.

 

There used to be a culture of anti-establishment and music used to be pure. Now the culture has changed, and it is ok for musicians to bend over for the multi-national souless entities. So they do. I'm not saying the musicians in the 60's were better people, but the culture they and we created was better for creating art, and avoiding selling out.

 

 

I can agree with that.

[JUDE]

I'd call the people you reffered to as PLASTIC.

 

Sorry Mods, I couldn't resist.

[Saint Genevieve]

Several years ago, The Decemberists sold one of their songs to Hewlett Packard to be used in a commercial

[EL the Famous]

There is no reason anyone should have more then anyone else, its really all luck of the draw that ensurs success in our capitalist soceity.

 

ETA: the averge person isn't worth admiring, why should respect someone or better yet idolize them because they have a talent?

 

*cough*bullshit copout*cough*

 

I have no idea what that last sentence even means.

[jc4prez]

*cough*bullshit copout*cough*

 

I have no idea what that last sentence even means.

 

 

um no its not a cop out, its a belief.

 

The last sentence was tring to point out that everyone is putting these musicans on a peddistal thus them being upset that they sold out.

 

They are no better then me or you, just averge common too!

[ikol]

They're better at writing songs.

[EL the Famous]

um no its not a cop out, its a belief.

 

The last sentence was tring to point out that everyone is putting these musicans on a peddistal thus them being upset that they sold out.

 

They are no better then me or you, just averge common too!

 

i completely agree that holding them to a different set of standards that shackle them to some antiquated concept of art being above commerce or mutually exclusive from it is crazy. but when you say they should make exactly the same as me or anyone else for that matter, i stop agreeing w/ you there. someone who puts forth more effort than someone else or works harder than someone who doesn't work at all...they shouldn't recognize anything for that?

 

so then you are saying that anybody who tries to further themselves financially is a sell-out? a guy puts in extra hours of overtime or goes for a promotion at work to make more money is a sell-out?

[solace]

so then you are saying that anybody who tries to further themselves financially is a sell-out? a guy puts in extra hours of overtime or goes for a promotion at work to make more money is a sell-out?

depends on the sacrifices or personal changes you make along the way...

[EL the Famous]

depends on the sacrifices or personal changes you make along the way...

 

it all comes back to the reality that life is FULL of sacrifices/compromises/personal changes and using an outdated phrase like 'sell out' is silly as hell.

 

i would love a career as a writer, but my desire to have a family and support them outweigh that desire. that's my personal compromise and everybody, including artists should be able to do the same in whatever ways are applicable to their life.

 

it's like jnick getting a call from jeff tweedy and telling him how to live his life.

[jc4prez]

so then you are saying that anybody who tries to further themselves financially is a sell-out? a guy puts in extra hours of overtime or goes for a promotion at work to make more money is a sell-out?

 

sure he's a sell out if he's doing it for self gain. I'm not gonna cut him down though we all do it. Which is why it should be no suprise that these musicans do the same.

 

 

My point really is that he shouldn't have to work harder then anybody else in order to get what he wants (as long as they aren't getting more then their brother men and women).

 

 

 

Our system (capitlism, which in my mind spurs most soical problems) is the one to blame. Not the indivual.

 

I'm not gonna stand on a soap box and act like I never do anything for myself. We all do; but in my mind there is a point in which a person is disadvantaging others (if thats a word) in order to benifit the self. Where you draw the line in the sand and say one is living beyond their means I dont know.

 

I do know that if your driving around in an hummer, buying 100 dollar bottles of wine, going on grand vactions, eating well, wearing designer clothes you should stop and think about those that aren't eating and don't have a shirt on their back or are having their lives destroyed by a goverment you fund everytiime you purchase something.

 

These people have way more then their actions or workload justifies. I can understand the common man putting in more hours at work more then I can understand Paul McCarntey jumping ticket prices from 35 to 250 in a ten year gap. What has he done that is deserving of the benfits he receives? If anything I'd say his output has been shit since the early nineites and if anything validates a cheaper ticket because I have to hear him play his new garbage.

[Sir Stewart]

it's like jnick getting a call from jeff tweedy and telling him how to live his life.

I'd DL even an mp3 of that.

[tongue-tied]

i'd say at page 7 this has gone into the realm of crazy. i'm really surprised i haven't read the word "shill" yet.

[bobbob1313]

sure he's a sell out if he's doing it for self gain. I'm not gonna cut him down though we all do it. Which is why it should be no suprise that these musicans do the same.

My point really is that he shouldn't have to work harder then anybody else in order to get what he wants (as long as they aren't getting more then their brother men and women).

Our system (capitlism, which in my mind spurs most soical problems) is the one to blame. Not the indivual.

 

I'm not gonna stand on a soap box and act like I never do anything for myself. We all do; but in my mind there is a point in which a person is disadvantaging others (if thats a word) in order to benifit the self. Where you draw the line in the sand and say one is living beyond their means I dont know.

 

I do know that if your driving around in an hummer, buying 100 dollar bottles of wine, going on grand vactions, eating well, wearing designer clothes you should stop and think about those that aren't eating and don't have a shirt on their back or are having their lives destroyed by a goverment you fund everytiime you purchase something.

 

These people have way more then their actions or workload justifies. I can understand the common man putting in more hours at work more then I can understand Paul McCarntey jumping ticket prices from 35 to 250 in a ten year gap. What has he done that is deserving of the benfits he receives? If anything I'd say his output has been shit since the early nineites and if anything validates a cheaper ticket because I have to hear him play his new garbage.

 

McCartney is responding to the increased price of touring, renting out large arenas, and keeping up with the rise in ticket prices all over the place. He's not hurting anyone by doing this, and if you have a problem with those prices, don't go. Tens of thousands of others will go because we live in a supply and demand world, and there is a demand for his shows.

[aricandover]

i'd say at page 7 this has gone into the realm of crazy. i'm really surprised i haven't read the word "shill" yet.

 

 

I like their music, and I'd like it just as much, if they were shilling the "Baconator" for Wendy's.

 

you must've skipped the first page

[EL the Famous]

McCartney is responding to the increased price of touring, renting out large arenas, and keeping up with the rise in ticket prices all over the place. He's not hurting anyone by doing this, and if you have a problem with those prices, don't go. Tens of thousands of others will go because we live in a supply and demand world, and there is a demand for his shows.

 

exactly. if people are actually buying the albums and tickets at those prices, who's to blame?!

[Good Old Neon]

McCartney is responding to the increased price of touring, renting out large arenas, and keeping up with the rise in ticket prices all over the place. He's not hurting anyone by doing this, and if you have a problem with those prices, don't go. Tens of thousands of others will go because we live in a supply and demand world, and there is a demand for his shows.

 

This is THAT Paul McCartney we are referring to correct - the one whose is reportedly worth about 1.6 billion dollars - BILLION dollars - I

[jc4prez]

McCartney is responding to the increased price of touring, renting out large arenas, and keeping up with the rise in ticket prices all over the place. He's not hurting anyone by doing this, and if you have a problem with those prices, don't go. Tens of thousands of others will go because we live in a supply and demand world, and there is a demand for his shows.

Your joking right....... McCartney's "show" is outlandish and over the top, which I'm sure rasises ticket prices a bit but think about the effect hauling all that shit around in mac trucks is doing to the enviorment. I live around the corner from Wrigglyfield and couldn't help but feel disgusted seeing all the shit The Police had to haul in to make their "show" happen. McCartney's pricing is over the top insane (again 40 dollar t-shirts(its probably even more now), 250 tickets in areans that hold thouhsands yet charge less for mayn other events. and you can say this about anyone in that league look how much Striesand charges, is it okay because someone will pay???? And if you read everything I said the fundamental problem is our system!

exactly. if people are actually buying the albums and tickets at those prices, who's to blame?!

I feel the like a broken record...... THE SYSTEM!Supply and demand doesn't equal fair, esp. when you consider all those who don't live in the land of luxury.

[ikol]

I feel the like a broken record...... THE SYSTEM!Supply and demand doesn't equal fair, esp. when you consider all those who don't live in the land of luxury.

 

Fair or not, supply and demand exist.

[OOO]

This is THAT Paul McCartney we are referring to correct - the one whose is reportedly worth about 1.6 billion dollars - BILLION dollars - I

[MattZ]

I don't know about anyone else, but I am betting that this is the thread where we finally figure out all of this stuff and agree.

[Sir Stewart]

I don't know about anyone else, but I am betting that this is the thread where we finally figure out all of this stuff and agree.

I have hope.

[Good Old Neon]

Actually, his divorce settlement is costing him an arm and a leg.

 

Which leaves him down one arm in the "Kramer vs. Kramer" situation.

 

It