MLB 2008 PT 2

[bleedorange]

Somebody at another place I frequent on the internet suggested that Dan Uggla cost the National League the game, but I don't see it. None of the runners that reached on his errors scored, and NOBODY on the NL did anything offensively the last 8 innings or so.

 

Except for Miguel Tejada.

 

But, you're right. He didn't cost them the game.

[Moe_Syzlak]

Except for Miguel Tejada.

 

But, you're right. He didn't cost them the game.

Agreed. But in the extra innings, he was the worst looking at the plate of the bunch. I think he may have struck out on three pitches... TWICE! Just not a good night for Uggla any way you slice it.

[bleedorange]

Agreed. But in the extra innings, he was the worst looking at the plate of the bunch. I think he may have struck out on three pitches... TWICE! Just not a good night for Uggla any way you slice it.

 

Yeah, he had that "deer in the headlights" look on those last two at-bats, after grounding into the double play and the two errors. I felt bad for him, and even though I'm an A.L. guy, I was hoping he would redeem himself in the 12th by driving in a run.

 

I don't like how writers are piling all over him, though.

[sweetheart-mine]

if anyone ever plays really well in an all-star game, i consider it at least half fluke. probably 3/4.

[Lammycat]

Agreed. But in the extra innings, he was the worst looking at the plate of the bunch. I think he may have struck out on three pitches... TWICE! Just not a good night for Uggla any way you slice it.

He also left 6 base runners on base throughout the night. Not saying he, solely, cost the NL the game. He certainly contributed, though.

[MattZ]

Somebody at another place I frequent on the internet suggested that Dan Uggla cost the National League the game, but I don't see it. None of the runners that reached on his errors scored, and NOBODY on the NL did anything offensively the last 8 innings or so.

 

I have never witnessed a game in any team sport where any one player cost his team the game.

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

I have never witnessed a game in any team sport where any one player cost his team the game.

 

 

 

 

[MattZ]

Not those three games either.

 

(although if you want to blame anyone for game 6 in 86 you should be blaming Bob Stanley)

[sweetheart-mine]

Not those three games either.

 

(although if you want to blame anyone for game 6 in 86 you should be blaming Bob Stanley)

or calvin schiraldi. it wasn't a stellar night for him, either.

 

 

 

 

I have never witnessed a game in any team sport where any one player cost his team the game.

some closers in a tight game do it all the time, no?

[Mr. Kinsley]

Not those three games either.

 

(although if you want to blame anyone for game 6 in 86 you should be blaming Bob Stanley)

I nominate John McNamara for leaving Buckner's gimpy ass in the game in the first place.

[MattZ]

some closers in a tight game do it all the time, no?

 

Oh I am just being too literal maybe. My point is that the team could have always scored more runs or the starter could have given up fewer runs, etc. Guys make outs with men on base and then the closer gives up a run in the ninth? Sure, we can blame the closer, but the dude who struck out in the 4th didnt do his job either. That's my point.

[MrRain422]

The argument there would be that if the hitters had put up more runs, then it wouldn't matter if the closer gives up one.

 

The only situation I can think of where you can really say one guy lost it himself is perhaps a pitcher giving up 8 runs in 1/3 of an innings before getting yanked, and then his team losing 8-7 or something.

[sweetheart-mine]

I nominate John McNamara for leaving Buckner's gimpy ass in the game in the first place.

gong, you are right and you win!

[MattZ]

The only situation I can think of where you can really say one guy lost it himself is perhaps a pitcher giving up 8 runs in 1/3 of an innings before getting yanked, and then his team losing 8-7 or something.

 

I often try to think of the reverse -- pitcher throws a shutout and hits a home run. But you still need your defense to make plays behind you.

 

EDIT: How about you throw a shutout, strike out 27 batters and hit a home run. You technically wouldn't need fielders (or a catcher) in that scenario either.

[sweetheart-mine]

Oh I am just being too literal maybe. My point is that the team could have always scored more runs or the starter could have given up fewer runs, etc. Guys make outs with men on base and then the closer gives up a run in the ninth? Sure, we can blame the closer, but the dude who struck out in the 4th didnt do his job either. That's my point.

and it's a good one. you're not too literal, i had tunnel vision for a minute there.

[Lammycat]

I nominate John McNamara for leaving Buckner's gimpy ass in the game in the first place.

Exactly. McNamara made some poor decisions throughout the series. Dave Stapleton should have been playing first at this point in the game, as he had the previous games, anyway.

 

Not to mention the Sox blew game 7 with the lead, too.

[bobbob1313]

Uggla certainly didn't help them win the game.

[Lammycat]

ESPN writer who drove Papelbon in the NYC parade yesterday:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...mp;sportCat=mlb

 

Highlight:

Our journey up Sixth Avenue was about to end, but before it was over, we ran into three guys -- let's call them uber-Yankee fans -- who were clearly vying for some sort of title as they delivered the most hateful things they could think of to accompany the half-a-peace-sign salute they were offering. As we prepared to round the corner and head for Central Park, Papelbon looked at these three gentlemen, then quizzically at his own hand, and decided to give them a salute of his own using the ring finger on his right hand, where his 2007 World Series Champion ring calls home. No need to repeat what was said -- let's just say those dudes didn't like what they saw.

[jenbobblehead]

I blame the NY Daily News for printing something Papelbon said completely out of context. In a headline, none the less.

The Washington Post printed it too.

 

I have never witnessed a game in any team sport where any one player cost his team the game.

Do you know of this guy Julio Lugo?

[bobbob1313]

So apparently everyone in the world hates Youkilis?

[jenbobblehead]

So apparently everyone in the world hates Youkilis?

I don't. But he does do that weird little dance when he's batting that is kinda ghey. In a baseball way, not in a thexual way.

[Lammycat]

The Washington Post printed it too.

Did the Post cherry pick what Papelbon said so that it could be misconstrued and out of context?

 

So apparently everyone in the world hates Youkilis?

I've got no beef with him. Plays hard.

[jenbobblehead]

Did the Post cherry pick what Papelbon said so that it could be misconstrued and out of context?

 

they printed the "blahblahblah" piece. So Yeah, i guess.

[PigSooie]

So apparently everyone in the world hates Youkilis?

 

I like Youkilis a lot. He's just a ball player. I like that.

[bobbob1313]

I was talking to people the other day and they all hated him. I thought it was weird, seems like an odd guy to hate, though he does look like a d-bag.