Party @ the Moontower Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 I feel neither represents me. Why would I support a group I am not philosophically aligned with and which I think perpetuates a system that leaves the voice of most of America unheard?It's not just about you bobbob. Who represents the majority of your country? I don't vote on just what I want and need, I think of my country. Do we want Bush again? The country has said no. McCain votes with Bush on almost every single issue. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 It's not just about you bobbob. Who represents the majority of your country? I don't vote on just what I want and need, I think of my country. Do we want Bush again? The country has said no. McCain votes with Bush on almost every single issue. You cannot pretend to know what the rest of the country wants. If you did know, then McCain wouldn't stand a chance. Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Great post Louie -- I do think that there would have been major differences between a president Al and the current president George -- and their names are Alito and Roberts. Lammy, if you like a balanced Supreme Court (which to be honest, I do), then you really need to vote for Obama, as at least two supremes will retire in the next 4 years. Your vote in CO matters way more than JC4Pres here in IL. bobbob, same for you. What's wrong with Alito and Roberts? They are two conservative judges appointed to replace two conservative judges. If you want a balanced Supreme Court, wouldn't appointments by Gore or Kerry have upset that balance? Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 The green party is disorganized thats why nader left the party and he also happens to be a socialist. True dat! The Green party is a joke! I watched their national convention, I was laughing. I like many of the idea Cynthia McKinney has, but she comes off as millitant and way toooooo grassroots, way out there on issues. Rosa Clemente, sorry, this girl speaks of nothing but her hip-hop agenda, and speaks like she's on MTV. She assumes that America is made up of nothing but her generation and could care less about the rest of us.That, and she starts every sentance with "I mean". C'mon! Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Yeah 'hip hop' agenda. Not a prayer. Some people are born to delegitimize their movement. Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney, Ralph Nader and Ron Paul should hold their own debate and talk amongst themselves. Really none of them have anything to bring to the table until after the election. No one on the far right has any doubt now that they should vote McCain/Palin; it still just floors me that the left thinks that a non-player should get votes and deny the leftish candidate the office. Just amazing... LouieB I'm strongly in favor of *any* political party gaining enough support during a presidential election in order to secure the 5 percent of the vote needed to qualify for federal campaign funds. The two-party system is not working effectively. The problem in the past has been an independent or 3rd party candidate has run on one or few core issues that have kept any momentum from carrying beyond one election. The few with any staying power have directly impacted either one party or the other, which begs the question, can we even have a diverse enough system beyond "the lesser of two evils" if our country and its citizens don't live by the dichotomies that rule our choices in .... everything? Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 To me, it feels like in 1984 when they talk about eternal war. Both sides need the other in order for their side to stay in the position they are in, which is why despite their policy difference, I feel like an argument could be made that they are just two wings of the same party. If that makes any sense. Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 You cannot pretend to know what the rest of the country wants. If you did know, then McCain wouldn't stand a chance.Yes I can. I read bobbob. Hmmm..check this out Bobbob. Even Fox News just gave him a 60% disaproval rate from our country. Here is a 100+ polls with high disaproval rates. All this year. THE COUNTRY HAS SPOKEN! President Bush Job Approvalhttp://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ot...proval-904.html Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 THE COUNTRY HAS SPOKEN!And 50% of them, apparently, want '4 more years of Bush'. That is what I don't get. If Bush has such low approval ratings, and the democrats keep hammering home that McCain is 4 more years of Bush, why isn't Obama running away with it? Either half of the country does't believe he is 4 more years of Bush, or half of the country thinks he's a much better choice than Obama, despite it. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 And 50% of them, apparently, want '4 more years of Bush'. That is what I don't get. If Bush has such low approval ratings, and the democrats keep hammering home that McCain is 4 more years of Bush, why isn't Obama running away with it? Either half of the country does't believe he is 4 more years of Bush, or half of the country thinks he's a much better choice than Obama, despite it.I asked this same thing a couple of threads ago. Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 To me, it feels like in 1984 when they talk about eternal war. Both sides need the other in order for their side to stay in the position they are in, which is why despite their policy difference, I feel like an argument could be made that they are just two wings of the same party. If that makes any sense. Do you realize how serious the situation is? If you don't vote for Obama, McCain will be elected. Then we'll have tax cuts for the rich, more oil drilling, conservative Supreme Court Justices, outlawed abortion, and no healthcare. This is the most important election ever! To me, it feels like in 1984 when they talk about eternal war. Both sides need the other in order for their side to stay in the position they are in, which is why despite their policy difference, I feel like an argument could be made that they are just two wings of the same party. If that makes any sense. Do you realize how serious the situation is? If you don't vote for McCain, Obama will be elected. Then we'll have high taxes, no more oil drilling, liberal Supreme Court Justices, legal abortion on demand, and socialized healthcare. This is the most important election ever! Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 I asked this same thing a couple of threads ago. He has said this over and over, and he is finally slamming it to the public even harder this week in adds. The problem is he talks about McCain's voting record, which most people ignore anyway (why???). Obama should have just said McCain=Bush over and over to hit the short attention spans. McCain's voting records are proof he is just another Bush. Obama needs to step it up a bit, stop talking in such long sentances get's old. He's telling the truth, just need to be quicker with it. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 I don't think it will help too much. Presidential approval rating has nothing to do with potential voters, does it? Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 I don't think it will help too much. Presidential approval rating has nothing to do with potential voters, does it? I think it does in this election, & I posted that because you said I don't know this country. I gave you over 100 of the best polls, did you see it? And again, I must ask..what about your local and state elections? Do they matter to you, or is it just the presidental race your staying out of? Oh, and I'm sorry I called you a SD and got caught. DO you forgive me? Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 I think it does in this election, & I posted that because you said I don't know this country. I gave you over 100 of the best polls, did you see it? And again, I must ask..what about your local and state elections? Do they matter to you, or is it just the presidental race your staying out of? Oh, and I'm sorry I called you a SD and got caught. DO you forgive me? Wait, are you sorry you said it or are you sorry you got caught? Didn't matter to me. Local and state elections I will be voting in, probably. At least they might be able to represent me some. I didn't say you didn't know this country. I said your knowledge must be flawed, because half of Americans who are going to vote, apparently want '4 more years of Bush'. So either you don't know them that well, or it's not an issue with the voters. Or, more likely, approval rating doesn't take into account likely voters. If they did an approval rating among likely voters, it might be a little higher. Link to post Share on other sites
H-Bomb Henry Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 I'm with Louie B on all this. I voted for Nader in 2000 because I thought Gore was a horrible debater and I thought Bush was a prick. I have definetly lived to regret this decision. As much as I would like to see a Paul/Nader ticket it's just not going to happen. And as far as I'm concerned Obama has a great positive message which is something I have never heard from a politician. Yeah I'm sure Obama is a politician and I'm not guilable enough to think Obama is going to accomplish everything he said he is going to but he will definitely improve our standing in the world. Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 You cannot pretend to know what the rest of the country wants. This is why I posted over 100 of the most recent and accurate polls on what this country thinks of Bush. Can we merge this election thread with the I'm high thread? I think that would be a good thing. And no, I'm not sorry I called you a SD, but I was kidding. Just so you know. What would VC be without bobbob.....boring! Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 So you are ignoring everything else I'm posting, huh? Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 And as far as I'm concerned Obama has a great positive message which is something I have never heard from a politician. Yeah I'm sure Obama is a politician and I'm not guilable enough to think Obama is going to accomplish everything he said he is going to but he will definitely improve our standing in the world. I agree, but I also get annoyed with my vote being chalked up to many as Obama-mania. I'm not just smokin' the Obama ticket cause it makes me feel good... Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Anyone who would abstain from a presidential vote in a two party system or a ten party system only because they feel the available choices don't accurately represent 'them as a person' is allowing ideology to be a stepping stone to apathy. Whether you are adequately represented as an individual, or not, their are two potential choices that will have a very different outcome. Everything I know tells me if I vote for McCain or even if I abstain from voting, I am just waiting for the poor to get poorer and a lot more people to die overseas. I have to resign myself to the fact that there isn't a successful social democrat party I can vote for, and get something done by checking a box that might help us all a little. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 I don't live my life and make my decisions with near the amount of certainty you expressed in that post. That's how I can not feel so bad about not voting for either. Link to post Share on other sites
Sal Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Wait, are you sorry you said it or are you sorry you got caught? Didn't matter to me. Local and state elections I will be voting in, probably. At least they might be able to represent me some. I didn't say you didn't know this country. I said your knowledge must be flawed, because half of Americans who are going to vote, apparently want '4 more years of Bush'. So either you don't know them that well, or it's not an issue with the voters. Or, more likely, approval rating doesn't take into account likely voters. If they did an approval rating among likely voters, it might be a little higher. They may not actually want 4 more years of Bush. I think a lot of it comes down to plain old pride and other BS. A good friend of mine is a Republican and she cannot bring herseld to admit that Bush has been a totoal disaster. She makes BS excuses for Palin being stupid and overlooks McCain's lies. A good majority of the voters are too tied to party affiliation and will never budge no matter what. Pretty pathetic way to run a country, but that is what we have. You really should vote in your local elctions. Those are the elections that impact your life the most. Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 I actually like Obama the person, but I cannot in good conscience vote for Obama the democratic nominee.Why? Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Why? Well, I never said I would vote for Obama the person. I've gone over why I don't agree with his politics, or at least, why I don't agree enough with them to justify voting for what I consider to be a two party system that doesn't represent the people. Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Why? He won't be able to tell you. Trust me, I've asked. Link to post Share on other sites
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