quarter23cd Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Ok, maybe I had mentally checked out by then.Ah, see I checked in late and the Cheney thing popped up when I was starting to get into it. When she agreed with it I about spewed beer out my nose. But the thing about Biden's answer, even though it is the technically-correct one, is that he basically said he doesn't think the VP should do much of anything beyond providing advice for the president. Its largely true, but its one of those things doesn't sound particularly awesome, you know? Its not really a home run unless you can specifically talk about Cheney for an extended period of time, but then you're "looking backwards". Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 In an odd way, I'm glad Palin joined the race. Before, I was just going to vote for Obama/Biden. Thanks to Palin, I'm campaigning for them. Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 A true patriot drinks more than just a six-pack. Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 In an odd way, I'm glad Palin joined the race. Before, I was just going to vote for Obama/Biden. Thanks to Palin, I'm campaigning for them. Cool! Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I think Neil pretty much nailed the whole deal in here last night. i disagree. it's well-documented how i get just as tired as you of the empty insults fueled more by party-line than constructive, legitimate criticism...but really, there are plenty of legitimate observations here to substantiate why someone could continue to find palin a weak choice for VP. Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 "looking backwards" that was another thing that really irked me. she initially brought that "looking backwards" thing up when biden responded to a specific question...ABOUT BUSH ADMINISTRATION POLICY. i realize she stated she wasn't going to answer the questions being asked, but biden was. besides, when using each participants record and previous statements to establish your postion...how the hell can you not 'look backwards'? and, under their postion that mccain doesn't differ from the failed policies of bush versus chiding biden w/ some sort of goofy catchphrase ala' say it ain't so'...ESTABLISH WHAT THOSE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MCCAIN AND BUSH ARE. again, substance for god's sake...is that too much to ask for?! Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 i disagree. it's well-documented how i get just as tired as you of the empty insults fueled more by party-line than constructive, legitimate criticism...but really, there are plenty of legitimate observations here to substantiate why someone could continue to find palin a weak choice for VP. If you read back I noted that there were legitimate concerns voiced. How ever "PALIN WANTS TO FORCE 16 YEAR OLDS TO CARRY RAPIST INCESTOUOUS BABIES Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 i disagree. it's well-documented how i get just as tired as you of the empty insults fueled more by party-line than constructive, legitimate criticism...but really, there are plenty of legitimate observations here to substantiate why someone could continue to find palin a weak choice for VP. Indeed - there's a huge difference between piling on (which has occurred here in the past and will again I'm sure) and actually criticizing with substance. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I thought I was on to something with the Skecher bit. I guess not. Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I thought I was on to something with the Skecher bit. I guess not. I liked it. I also sport the Doc Martens. It all depends on whom I'm associating with at that particular time. Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 If you read back I noted that there were legitimate concerns voiced. How ever "PALIN WANTS TO FORCE 16 YEAR OLDS TO CARRY RAPIST INCESTOUOUS BABIES Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 fair enough, the language is extremely loaded and unproductive, but the meaning behind it...it's legit, no? she has stated that she would still not condone abortion even in a case of rape only in the extreme case that the mother's life was in medical jeapordy because of it. maybe i haven't followed her closely enough, but did she change her stance since saying as much in her interview w/ couric that people are focusing on? I didn't get the whole I will force you to carry an unwanted child vibe from watching the clip in question, of course I'm of the belief that the Roe V. Wade decision is quite safe from overturn regardless of whom get's elected. skechers are for consorting w/ the 'joe six pack americans' of the world? "Jude 6-Pack" Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 If you read back I noted that there were legitimate concerns voiced. How ever "PALIN WANTS TO FORCE 16 YEAR OLDS TO CARRY RAPIST INCESTOUOUS BABIES Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I didn't get the whole I will force you to carry an unwanted child vibe from watching the clip in question, of course I'm of the belief that the Roe V. Wade decision is quite safe from overturn regardless of whom get's elected. I agree Republicans have had many years of uncontested rule and they did not attempt to over turn it. It makes me think back to my long held position that they have no intention of seeing it overturned, it's too good of a vote getter. Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 But if it is a matter of policy or belief then it is OK to post. The Obama thing above is not rooted in any reality I know. If he personally believed that and you put something out there supprting that then it woudl be OK. Ditto for the Palin thing Oh by the way, from Medical news today September5th: Palin is opposed to abortion rights in all cases except to save the life of a pregnant woman. McCain also is opposed to abortion rights but has said he would support exceptions in cases of rape, incest or to save a woman's life. Watch the clip, she clearly states it's not a McCain/Palin Policy, it's merely her belief. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted October 3, 2008 Author Share Posted October 3, 2008 Could someone please tell me where Timberland shoes fall in relation to one Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Saw this on the Andrew Sullivan blog: "Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. famously said of Franklin Roosevelt that he had a 'second-class intellect, but a first-class temperament.' Obama has shown that he is a man of limited experience, questionable convictions, deeply troubling associations (Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko) and an alarming lack of self-definition -- do you really know who he is and what he believes? Nonetheless, he's got both a first-class intellect and a first-class temperament. That will likely be enough to make him president," - Charles Krauthammer today. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted October 3, 2008 Author Share Posted October 3, 2008 Saw this on the Andrew Sullivan blog: "Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. famously said of Franklin Roosevelt that he had a 'second-class intellect, but a first-class temperament.' Obama has shown that he is a man of limited experience, questionable convictions, deeply troubling associations (Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko) and an alarming lack of self-definition -- do you really know who he is and what he believes? Nonetheless, he's got both a first-class intellect and a first-class temperament. That will likely be enough to make him president," - Charles Krauthammer today. Keeping in mind Andrew Sullivan is a conservative, you would have done well to include the rest of that piece: "I should just add that I have a pretty good idea of what Obama believes and who he is. Very few candidates in American history have been as candid about both as Obama. I don't agree with all of it, but I see the sense of much of it. Even I see the pragmatism of raising taxes on the successful to Clinton era levels just to keep the government minimaly solvent. And if you don't see the urgency for change from the insane Republicanism of the last eight years, then I'm at a loss to know what to say. In the end, it's that simple. You cannot know for sure with any future president, but in these times, the first class temperament and first class intellect and astonishing oratory and obvious decency are enough for me. My judgment now is what it was sixteen months ago, and a year ago. We need Obama now. And we are immensely lucky to have him." - Andrew Sullivan Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Saw this on the Andrew Sullivan blog: "Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. famously said of Franklin Roosevelt that he had a 'second-class intellect, but a first-class temperament.' Obama has shown that he is a man of limited experience, questionable convictions, deeply troubling associations (Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko) and an alarming lack of self-definition -- do you really know who he is and what he believes? Nonetheless, he's got both a first-class intellect and a first-class temperament. That will likely be enough to make him president," - Charles Krauthammer today.Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. better stay the f out of Hyde Park or I will kick his ass. Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 This couldn't be more true. I haven't talked to my Mom yet but I'm sure she thought Palin was great. i hate the "she's just so normal/likeable" argument... NO SHE'S NOT, SHE'S ANNOYING AS HELL! i don't care if she was on the Dem ticket, i'd still find her personality and accent annoying Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted October 3, 2008 Author Share Posted October 3, 2008 The Sarah Palin Debate Flow Chart http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_...alin-debat.html Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Keeping in mind Andrew Sullivan is a conservative, you would have done well to include the rest of that piece:Well, I think Sullivan's opinion has already been fairly well established. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 i don't care if she was on the Dem ticket, i'd still find her personality and accent annoying I have to agree here. Even while I thought she did pretty well last night, I had to turn it off from time to time for a break from her voice. Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Be afraid. Be very afraid. Link to post Share on other sites
the carlos Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Be afraid. Be very afraid.no shit huh. Link to post Share on other sites
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