Panther Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I am agianst this whole notion of removing or excluding those who disagree with you from the crowd. Thhey all have voices to be heard. I was against it when Bush did it and I'm against it when the Obam camp does it. The only exception should be for thhose who pose a danger to others or those who are indanger for simply speaking, which is also bullshit. I agree the Obama camp dose remind me of the Bush camp even though the two men are very different. Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 McCain-Palin Rally Attendees: "Obama Is A Terrorist" this one is even worse: wow... how does someone become so ignorant? Link to post Share on other sites
Panther Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Television Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 what do you folk make of this video? Im not to sure I mean its weird that the guy is escorted for disagreing with the Obama crowd but it dosent seem that insane that you can remove someone from a rally for saying diffrent things in this type of election , I mean you don't want that guy on camera or Cnn. Im not saying what he thinks is right but do any of you think thats its okay to remove people this way? he wasn't disagreeing with Obama though... just making a lot of noise for the sake of noise? plus the Belmont University Police are right, it's private university property Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I agree the Obama camp dose remind me of the Bush camp even though the two men are very different. If that is what you get out of what I wrote then it helps answer this... how does someone become so ignorant? Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 he wasn't disagreeing with Obama though... just making a lot of noise for the sake of noise? plus the Belmont University Police are right, it's private university property DON'T TAZE ME BRO!!! Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 This is why nothing should be taken for granted. VOTE!!!!!Obama Jokerman is a pretty cool tune.Not part of the Christian material.....by Infidels he was practically born again Jewish in your opinion, which is worse: not voting at all or voting for someone other than Obama?both.... Yeah, but that's on the "Infidels" album. right......exactly right... Back to the election for a moment.....there may well be an Obama landslide. No one knows for sure how a whole bunch of the voting population is going to vote, mostly young people and maybe the usual old people. Other than some of the clueless young people here, I think many see Obama as someone they can relate to. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I don't really consider Wilco a political band anyway... Sure they endorse Obama, but I don't hear a political agenda in their music. I don't consider Wilco a political band with an agenda either. U2, yeah, I got sick of going to hear music and getting way to much of Bono's agenda (although he does great things) instead of the music. I came for the music, nothing else. Oh, and I love Johhny Cash more than any musician dead or alive, but I don't believe in Jesus. That doesn't stop me from singing the hell out of his music screaming "Jesus" while jumping around drunk in the front yard. If Wilco spent more than a minute on Obama I would be a little annoyed. The most I saw from Nell's @ his show was an Obama sticker on a guitar and a small O pin on his shirt. The rest, was all music. Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 DON'T TAZE ME BRO!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 At the risk of putting this thread back on topic, Real Clear has its electoral map with Obama over the 270 mark with Virginia's latest polls. Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 this one is even worse: wow... how does someone become so ignorant? Good Lord. You know, I could not help but notice ALL of those people were of the caucasian persuasion. Verdict: it's true - Whitey is the Devil. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 this one is even worse: wow... how does someone become so ignorant? "values voters" Total fucking morons - this level of prideful stupidity should be considered a national emergency. Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 http://www.reason.com/blog/show/129370.html "it's difficult to imagine even the most hard-core conservatives saying that Al Gore or John Kerry were terrorists." This is a huge problem with the McCain campaign's negative turn. No swing voter took offense if a Bush surrogate called Kerry a limp-wristed, French-looking fraud. But I think they wince when they hear someone accusing Obama of terrorist "bloodlines." The guy still has a net 18-point favorable rating. People simply don't look at him and think "radical." The velocity with which the McCain campaign has become a political arm of Sean Hannity's America makes it look ugly and desperate, rather than strong, as Bush I looked when he mocked Dukakis or Bush II looked when he mocked Kerry. ... This is the blowback when McCain/Palin go hard negative. They rev up the base, but what on-the-fence voter wants to associate with people like this? Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 McCain-Palin Rally Attendees: "Obama Is A Terrorist" I don't want what the people in those vids are smoking. None of those answers had any intelligent reasonable thought to them. Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I agree the Obama camp dose remind me of the Bush camp even though the two men are very different. Huh? Link to post Share on other sites
Edie Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Though I haven't seen them, I don't feel like I have to in order to know what they say. I would like to know what our resident righties think of this (and what the effect will be). Ikol? Jules? JUDE? Tweedling? Do you think that this will help or hurt McCain's cause? (BTW -- I have met all of you but JUDE and I know that none of you are like this.) Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 The Bush-Obama campaign similarities were brought up during the primaries. Both were disciplined, calm, steady. Don't forget, the one thing Bush could do right was get elected (twice!!!). Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Is the debate protestor a McCain supporter? I don't think so. I'm going to guess third party supporter. But Obama's people have nothing to do with him being carted off, at least not by what is being shown on the video. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 From Salon: This incident, a question asked at a recent McCain campaign rally, has been going around the Internet today, and for good reason. It seems to sum up, in one neat package, much of the dynamic of the presidential campaign right now. There Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Glen Greenwald: Dan Balz Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Though I haven't seen them, I don't feel like I have to in order to know what they say. I would like to know what our resident righties think of this (and what the effect will be). Ikol? Jules? JUDE? Tweedling? Do you think that this will help or hurt McCain's cause? (BTW -- I have met all of you but JUDE and I know that none of you are like this.) I think that Obama is not a terrorist and that those who think he is are idiots. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 There was a point in time when I had a healthy sense of respect for John McCain, and I have gone out of my way to defend him multiple times on this board and elsewhere - however, given the already volatile political climate and the deep financial crisis we now find ourselves in, deliberately stoking the sort of hatred and anger that McCain and Palin have been kindling as of late is simply unconscionable. Our country is in a very dangerous place at the moment and the absolute last thing we need is to start fanning the flames with Nazi-party like rallies. All this blame the other guy for all our own personal and national failures bullshit is plain fucking scary - and, what lies just below the surface of the chants of terrorist, traitor, Muslim and liar is one word - n****r. If this the legacy McCain has chosen for himself, well, it is with no regret that I say he should have been left to rot in a box. Link to post Share on other sites
Silent Assassin Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 what do you folk make of this video? Im not to sure I mean its weird that the guy is escorted for disagreing with the Obama crowd but it dosent seem that insane that you can remove someone from a rally for saying diffrent things in this type of election , I mean you don't want that guy on camera or Cnn. Im not saying what he thinks is right but do any of you think thats its okay to remove people this way? I was at Belmont when these guys came in. It was not a Obama rally per se, but about 1000 Obama supporters around the MSNBC broadcasting tent. I didn't agree at all with this guy being kicked out, especially with the argument that he had a bull horn as the guy that led the Obama supports in also had a bull horn and was allowed to remain. I talked to the remaining members of that group after the incident and they came back in, and it seemed like they were just there to cause a scene, which is fine if that is what they wanted to do. They basically just wanted people to vote for a third party candidate, any candidate so long as it wasn't Obama or McCain. I told them I would love to vote third party if there was a legitimate candidate, but I am supporting Obama because while imperfect I think will be a much better president than McCain. On a side note, I also talked to a small group of McCain people that were there (a picture of them was posted on 538.com). They kept talking about how Obama was friends with terrorists and said that Obama was not patriotic because he didn't serve in the military. It went on for a little while where I thought I was very polite, simply challenging them on the issues, and eventually they just gave up and walked away. My only regret was not bringing up the Alaskan Independence Party issue with Palin, because I would have loved to hear their response to that. Link to post Share on other sites
Edie Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 There was a point in time when I had a healthy sense of respect for John McCain, and I have gone out of my way to defend him multiple times on this board and elsewhere - however, given the already volatile political climate and the deep financial crisis we now find ourselves in, deliberately stoking the sort of hatred and anger that McCain and Palin have been kindling as of late is simply unconscionable. Our country is in a very dangerous place at the moment and the absolute last thing we need is to start fanning the flames with Nazi-party like rallies. All this blame the other guy for all our own personal and national failures bullshit is plain fucking scary - and, what lies just below the surface of the chants of terrorist, traitor, Muslim and liar is one word - n****r. If this the legacy McCain has chosen for himself, well, it is with no regret that I say he should have been left to rot in a box. QFT. I just hope that regular folks recognize this for what it is and reject it as politics of fear and loathing. The cretins will head back into the woodwork (hopefully). I think that Obama is not a terrorist and that those who think he is are idiots. Have I told you lately how much I love you? Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Do you really believe I would have a Muslim run our country? Link to post Share on other sites
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