Isn't it time for a new election thread?!

[tugmoose]

McCain surrogate raises Obama's past drug use

Posted: 08:05 PM ET

 

(CNN)

[Party @ the Moontower]

There was a point in time when I had a healthy sense of respect for John McCain, and I have gone out of my way to defend him multiple times on this board and elsewhere - however, given the already volatile political climate and the deep financial crisis we now find ourselves in, deliberately stoking the sort of hatred and anger that McCain and Palin have been kindling as of late is simply unconscionable. Our country is in a very dangerous place at the moment and the absolute last thing we need is to start fanning the flames with Nazi-party like rallies. All this blame the other guy for all our own personal and national failures bullshit is plain fucking scary - and, what lies just below the surface of the chants of terrorist, traitor, Muslim and liar is one word - n****r.

 

If this the legacy McCain has chosen for himself, well, it is with no regret that I say he should have been left to rot in a box.

 

Thank you for writing this. I am so angry and scared right now over this all.

Will any leader in Washington stand up to this nonsense before it goes to far? Perhaps the President?

[MrRain422]

How more forthright can Obama be about his drug use? He already wrote about it in his book -- its not like he's trying to keep it a secret.

[Edie]

And this -- I mean, is she on crack?

 

Cindy McCain claims Obama is waging dirty campaign

Thu Oct 9, 2:36 pm ET

 

WASHINGTON

[DAngerer09]

The silly season is just heating up. Only going to get worse.

[Moe_Syzlak]

Wouldn't it be nice if election time was the time I felt best about my country instead of feeling the worst about it? And my horse is leading!

[mountain bed]

How more forthright can Obama be about his drug use? He already wrote about it in his book -- its not like he's trying to keep it a secret.

Yes. He was a teenager in the late '70s in Hawaii, for Chrissakes. Frankly, if he didn't experiment with the local plant life I'd be astonished.

 

"I inhaled...frequently. That was the point." If you ask me we've came a long way in the past 16 years in this regard. At least the guy doesn't try to insult us like Bill with his comment "I didn't inhale". Maybe Bill felt he had to say that in order to get elected but that b.s. is no longer necessary. I hope. Really...this was 30 years ago. Who gives a shit?

[tugmoose]

The point is they're demanding Obama admit stuff he's long admitted.

 

That's kinda sad.

[markosis]

Not because I don't think Ralph has good positions on stuff, but because s (and last time out) defeating the Bushies was and is too important to keep pushing a non-winning third party candidate who has little relevance.

 

Jeez, what a disgusting comment. He's only "non-winning" because people choose to be ignorant and believe the hype that the machine pushes down their throats. A win for a non-Republicrat would be devestating to the hierarchy that runs our country, so their voices are silenced. Its the same thing that happens to the Ron Pauls and Dennis Kuciniches: people with real ideas for real change get shoved aside so we can listen to the talking heads do their same old thing for another election cycle. Excuse me for not buying the hype. I've decided to "throw my vote away" this time, instead of just voting Republican or Democrat because they are "the ones that matter."

 

As for the music topic, I think Good Old Neon touched on this in his brief comment. Most people that like Wilco are at least a little musically adventurous in their tastes. I think the original comment was meant to touch on the idea that most Wilco fans are probably rather liberal ie open minded if they go so far as to seek out good art like Wilco. I can see the correlation between listening to slightly artier/experimental forms of music and having a liberal mindset about the world.

[bobbob1313]

Jeez, what a disgusting comment. He's only "non-winning" because people choose to be ignorant and believe the hype that the machine pushes down their throats. A win for a non-Republicrat would be devestating to the hierarchy that runs our country, so their voices are silenced. Its the same thing that happens to the Ron Pauls and Dennis Kuciniches: people with real ideas for real change get shoved aside so we can listen to the talking heads do their same old thing for another election cycle. Excuse me for not buying the hype. I've decided to "throw my vote away" this time, instead of just voting Republican or Democrat because they are "the ones that matter."

 

There is literally no point in discussing this with Louie. I've tried. Believe me. He knows more than you do.

[fatheadfred]

Maybe if we found ourselves at a point where it wasn't a reach to try for a 3rd party it wouldn't be such a big deal to keep another party out of the house. I can't think of anything worse than seeing McPain in the house.

[bobbob1313]

As long as we have a two party system, 3rd parties play a necessary role of spoiler. You guys would have absolutely zero problem with a Ron Paul fronted third party, because it would hurt McCain.

[ikol]

I can't think of anything worse than seeing McPain in the house.

 

How about 4 more years of Bush? And you need to learn to spell.

[MrRain422]

I'm all for introducing a viable third (or fourth or fifth) party into the system, but that doesn't automatically mean any non-Republican-non-Democrat is good or relevant.

 

Either way, the way to establish a third party is from the bottom up, not the top down. No third party will ever go anywhere if it focuses its resources on a Presidential election right off the bat (at least electorally -- I think a third party campaign, if waged effectively, can introduce certain issues into the race that might not otherwise make their way into the discourse, but the candidate of that party will still never win the election). The way to really grow a third party is to focus on local elections in places where they might have a chance, and then expanding out from there. In San Francisco, for example, it has essentially become a two party system between the Democrats and the Greens. From their successes there, the Greens can expand out further in the region and then eventually perhaps nationally.

[JUDE]

I think that Obama is not a terrorist and that those who think he is are idiots.

 

 

Yep.

[aricandover]

 

 

Of course there's something wrong with him...

[MrRain422]

Yep.

 

 

How do you feel about the McCain campaign's role in spreading those rumors?

[Guest Jules]

I think that Obama is not a terrorist and that those who think he is are idiots.

Edie,

 

This.

 

Jules

[Guest Jules]

How do you feel about the McCain campaign's role in spreading those rumors?

On the inside: whatever it takes to get elected.

 

On the outside: disgusting, desperation.

 

 

[Sir Stewart]

A viable third party presidential candidate will come the same way a viable black candidate did - meaning it will not be the #1 factor in the candidate's platform.

[j4lackey]

Well put, sir.

[JUDE]

How do you feel about the McCain campaign's role in spreading those rumors?

 

 

I don't really feel anything. I see no innocents in either side of this campaign. If these rumors were coming from the Bob Barr camp, then I might.

[John Smith]

Watching the videos posted here, and other places, reading the comment sections to articles at places like the Trib and WaPo, hearing what the pundits are saying on Fox and the radio along with the way the McCain group is taking to campaigining is just making me Ill. I am fairly certain that 30% of the population will never accept an Obama presidency (heck 50% didn't accept the Bush presidency but we delt with it). But I wonder, the "base" seems so rabid, so angry and about stupid shit...he's a muslim, he's a terrorist, he's a socialist (apparently he has proposed all the buyouts) etc... they are so unhinged and so rabid that When you couple their anger with the bad economy (which many of them are blaming directly on Obama already) there is such palpable anger in the air that I wonder if it could lead to extreme violence after the elections. I am fairly certain that someone iis already plotting to do Obama in (though in all fairness i think the same people would do in McCain to get Palin to the number one slot). And all based on what? The crappy "journalism" they listen to? The bitter angry idea-void of a campiagn that McCain has chose to run? If violence did erupt I would also bet that the usuall punditry would either encourage it, or at the very least not encourage it and try to explain it in rational terms.

 

you know I've never been pleased with the Bush presidency, but he is still the elected president and even though he has done little that I like or respect the process was what it was and he's there.

[Spawn's dad]

Do you think you live in a Star Wars movie?

[John Smith]

I don't really feel anything. I see no innocents in either side of this campaign. If these rumors were coming from the Bob Barr camp, then I might.

 

How eaxctly is the Obama camp guilty of getting the masses frothy when Palin gets out there and on every stop, be it a campaign stop or a fox interview, and accuses Obam of palling around with terrorists, and of not being an American like her. Please do explain the responsibility on the Obama side of the coin.