Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I don't know what I was insinuating...I tend to be pretty transparent in what I say. It's only a shitting match if you make it one. It's so easy to appreciate that song...doesn't the message of it appeal to you?A less mentally ill person than I would probably let this drop... I don't like a song that features some nice platitudes? And your point is WHAT? I don't appreciate the message. Guess I am overreacting a bit due to the "You can't be a Wilco fan if you don't agree with the politics" shit that was floating around on another thread. The insularity and close mindedness of this board really frustrates me. All so smug and condescending. I am legion. I am complicated. I like Chocolate AND Vanilla. The minute we start having to defend our tastes for music based on a byzantine system of ideological guidelines... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigshoulders Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Does ANYONE like "Shake it Off"? I dont hate it but it certainly isnt my favorite song on SBS. I like it. Of the songs I really "can't stand to listen to" Only 1 comes to mind now: "My Darling." And I'm no Jay Bennett hater, either... just don't like the song. Kevin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sunken mountain Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 thank you sunken mountain, good understanding SBS is an absolutely brilliant record, i love it and i agree as well, most live versions sound much better Thanks,I need your support Seriously,sometimes I don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 My five:Kingpin -- to me, this is the worst song in the Wilco canonWoodgrainSpiders (Kidsmoke) -- too long, and not enough happening, though this song works much better liveLess Than You Think -- I don't have the patience to sit through the droneWhat Light Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Calexico Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 ^^^ V impressive, bullet pointed and everything. Teacher's pet... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusetc84 Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Pick Up the ChangeWhat's the World Got in Store Was I In Your Dreams?The Late GreatsShake it Off basically that's it. I don't even hate most of those...those are just the wilco songs that bug me on some level. They're not even the worst or weakest wilco songs, they're just songs that have something about them that rub me the wrong way. For example, I find The Late Greats kind of middling. Situating it after one of Wilco's most beautifully sad songs just rubs me the wrong way. I like What's the World Got in Store musically but the intro is just complete cheese to the 40th power. I always have a slight biased against Being There in general; my first Wilco record was summerteeth, and my second was YHF. Going from those where Tweedy had developed his poetic abilities to an album that I basically saw as Exile on Main Street minus the swagger was really difficult. I recognize Being There's greatness, but in general it'll never be a fav, nor will most of it's songs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andshewas Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Damnit, I wasn't asking you to defend anything, and I CAN recognize that other people like different things. Is it a crime to want to know why? Don't put me in a group with those people in that other thread...I don't even know about that shit. I don't read EVERYTHING that is said on this board. Lay the fuck off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jnrjr79 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Only three on the proper studio albums I don't really care for: I Thought I Held You (worst song, IMO)My DarlingShake it Off Quote Link to post Share on other sites
froggie Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 > I Thought I Held You (worst song, IMO) is that you, jeff? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusetc84 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 All this My Darling hate makes me sad; My darling is majestic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
entropy Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Only three on the proper studio albums I don't really care for: I Thought I Held You (worst song, IMO)My DarlingShake it Off Quote Link to post Share on other sites
austrya Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 All this My Darling hate makes me sad; My darling is majestic. I'm guessing these people don't have kids? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusetc84 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I'm guessing these people don't have kids? I don't have kids either; I just think it's a beautifully structured song. I don't see how it's any cornier than a number of early Wilco lyrics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ponch1028 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 There are a number of songs that I just skip, simple harmless tunes that I just don't take a hankerin' to - a lot of A.M. to be specific ... I really tried, but I couldn't find any songs that "I can't stand to listen to" - there are many I find weak, but sometimes I enjoy the music enough to overlook the crap lyrics (Outtasite Outta Mind, Why Would You Wanna Live) or the lyrics are poignant enough to overlook the weak music (Leave Me Like You Found Me, Radio Cure). I've always been album-oriented, so I often just listen to the entire thing. Having said that, some songs have been redeemed by their live incarnations (Kingpin, Shake It Off). There just hasn't been a moment where I've been bored at a Wilco concert. Honestly though, I listen to live Wilco, live UT, and live Tweedy much more than I listen to their proper albums. That may also be a reason for my listening style. I don't skip over live tracks. I like to hear the entire concert from start to finish. Hey, I like to listen to proper Bob Dylan albums, even the train wrecks. I love them all. I won't say they're all classics, or all good, but I love them all. Sometimes a bad Dylan album is just what the doctor ordered. Guess I wouldn't be a good music critic ... (bad films on the other hand are painful ... I'll stop them the moment I've given up) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thagle Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 I'm amazed by some of these selections. Less Than You Think......everybody skips the drone part so that doesnt count, but if people are discounting the beginning of the song i'm dumbfoundedBeing There...? really? i think its their best album Radio Cure? " lyrics are poignant enough to overlook the weak music (Leave Me Like You Found Me, Radio Cure)" i actually think there is a lot to radio cure, i love turning up the stereo at the beginning. I think their are a ton of subtle layers here that make this song great Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mfwahl Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Radio Cure? " lyrics are poignant enough to overlook the weak music (Leave Me Like You Found Me, Radio Cure)" i actually think there is a lot to radio cure, i love turning up the stereo at the beginning. I think their are a ton of subtle layers here that make this song greatI agree. Radio Cure is one of the most amazing things they've done musically, or at least sonically. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Yeah, I love "Radio Cure." I included "Less Than You Think" on my list solely because of the drone. The musical portion of that song is good. That I included it at all merely speaks to how strong I believe the Wilco catalog is, overall -- I was struggling to come up with five, so the drone made the list. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 I don't have kids either; I just think it's a beautifully structured song. I don't see how it's any cornier than a number of early Wilco lyrics. It is a beautifully structured song, and it's ok to get a little cornie with lyrics sometimes.. Especially with a song like My Darling.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 [*]WoodgrainI would have agreed until I saw Tweedy "attempt" this in April. It was pretty cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ScreenDoor_ Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Me too... That's too bad... Being There is probably my favorite Wilco record... My five songs I can't stand to hear.. Doesn't mean they aren't great songs, just over played: Shot In The ArmHeavy Metal DrummerI'm The Man Who Loves YouHandshake DrugsJesus Etc. At one time, every single one of these songs were my favorite Wilco tunes.. They are just played out for me now.. Couldn't have said it better myself Quote Link to post Share on other sites
giraffo Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 I used to feel that way. Then I gave it another try. Now I love it -- it's like getting the benefit of a new Wilco release, 12 years after the fact. I like Dash 7, but the other stuff, not so much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 The last 12 minutes of Less Than You Think Didn't like Hoodoo Voodoo until this year when they finished both concerts I went to with it. It's awesome live, but I'll probably still skip over the recorded version. It ain't the same as Pat and Nels duking it out on stage. Leave Me Like You Found Me The last couple of songs on A.M. are alright songs, but they needed a little more work (as Jeff admits to being in a rush to get the thing out asap), so I generally lose interest after Dash 7. Outtamind ~ Love Outtasite version, though! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I like it. Of the songs I really "can't stand to listen to" Only 1 comes to mind now: "My Darling." And I'm no Jay Bennett hater, either... just don't like the song. Kevin I'd like My Darling better if a woman or a baritone who can sing well would cover it. This is not a song for Jeff and Bennett has the right kind of voice, but he's more suited for backup vocals than lead. Might make a good slow R&B song. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jnrjr79 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 > I Thought I Held You (worst song, IMO) is that you, jeff? Heh, no, but I agree with him on that one. The lyrics are downright painful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jnrjr79 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I also have to admit, I listen to the drone on Less Than You Think rather than fast forwarding more often than not. It's a good drone and there's actually a lot happening sonically if you listen. I will say, too, that the drone was phenomenal at the residency. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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