It's time for a New Election Thread

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i'd say people aren't afraid enough of his socialist policies.

 

 

so paying your fair share of taxes if you make more money is being socialist? this country is never going to be a socialist country no matter who is in charge. I am tired of seeing people that make more money than me getting taxed less. I pay out the ass on taxes and it's time for everyone to pay their fair share, PERIOD.

[mountain bed]

i'd say people aren't afraid enough of his socialist policies.

You say 'socialst' like it's a bad word.

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

If you're referring to what I said about the potential for rioting if Obama loses - it was not a partisan statement at all, it was just an observation.

 

I was actually referring to the opinion piece in the Philadelphia Inquirer by Fatimah Ali

 

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20...eorge_Bush.html

[JUDE]

so paying your fair share of taxes if you make more money is being socialist? this country is never going to be a socialist country no matter who is in charge. I am tired of seeing people that make more money than me getting taxed less. I pay out the ass on taxes and it's time for everyone to pay their fair share, PERIOD.

 

 

Wake me up when that happens regardless of who get's elected.

 

I'm pretty sure that the guy who makes $6 million a year is still going to have the same people protecting his money and advising him so all the rhetoric in the world ain't gonna have an effect on his bottom line. Of course I'm pretty sure when big-oil-meds-banks-etc. get the screws put to them they won't have any problem passing on the increased costs for goods and services to the end consumer.

[jakobnicholas]

Why would it not be twenty or thirty years? Since Reagan, with the exception of Clinton as President, the nation has been rolling to the right. Obama will have his challenges (understatement of the century), but if he can make it even look a little bit like things are going in a good direction, it could put the right out to pasture for a very long time.

 

 

 

 

Conservatism isn't going anywhere. In fact, with an Obama White House and a Democrat Congress, we might see a huge groundswell of true Conservatism over the next 4 years, and see someone like Bobby Jindal make a run in 2012.

 

 

 

Conservatives would beg to differ that the country under George Bush has been rolling to the right. And McCain is as moderate as they come.

[quarter23cd]

As things continue to spiral, we should remember that we all have a vested interest in the success of WHOEVER is the winner of this election. We tend to marginalize and ridicule our political 'opponants' (in the Great American Tradition), losing sight of the fact that both candidates believe in this country and this process. Both have the best interests of this country in mind.

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We would all be better served if we could find a way to maintain a sense of civility here.

Nobody expects politics to be pretty, but it takes some effort to be surprisingly ugly.

 

Divide and conquer might be a great political strategy--god knows it has worked wonders in recent elections--but how much farther can we go with the whole "demonize your opponent" thing? Evidently its not enough anymore to be better than your opponent or even "more patriotic", now we've come to outright charges of terrorism. Are you kidding me? This is politics now? Somebody is going to lose this election--right now it looks like McCain. And if so, where does that leave this country when he's been telling his supporters the guy in the Oval Office is a terrorist? Does McCain shake his hand when its over and say "Well, good game, chap. Sorry about the 'terrorist' thing." and go back to his senate seat and carry on like nothing happened?

[Party @ the Moontower]

I'm only voting for Obama because he is black and so damn good looking. Trash all my 2000 posts in this election thread that host a ton of awesome links to reputable news sources and funny ass comedy. All of my educated thoughts on O have been made up to make my vote look smart. It's not, I'm not, and he's not.

 

Obama will win this election only because of Jeff working with Acorn to slide some stupid powder in McCain's metamucil latte (the official stool softener of Super Bowl) that left his mind a little like his BM (bowel movement). Palin is hot and deserves the spot....and Biden is boring and has no hair.

 

Oh, and by the way, Obama has a HUGE lead. So yes, I think the country is speaking finally.

[kwall]

so paying your fair share of taxes if you make more money is being socialist?

i guess it depends on your definition of "fair" and your definition of "socialism". i rely on karl marx for my definition of socialism, who called for a "heavy progressive or graduated income tax" as one of the measures to "spread the wealth".

[Mrs. Peel]

i guess it depends on your definition of "fair" and your definition of "socialism". i rely on karl marx for my definition of socialism, who called for a "heavy progressive or graduated income tax" as one of the measures to "spread the wealth".

 

And what do we have right now?

[kwall]

And what do we have right now?

a hybrid of capitalism and socialism.

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Wake me up when that happens regardless of who get's elected.

 

I'm pretty sure that the guy who makes $6 million a year is still going to have the same people protecting his money and advising him so all the rhetoric in the world ain't gonna have an effect on his bottom line. Of course I'm pretty sure when big-oil-meds-banks-etc. get the screws put to them they won't have any problem passing on the increased costs for goods and services to the end consumer.

 

 

yeah, wake me up too.

 

so as a result of big oil-meds-banks(who by the way are getting BAILED OUT!)-etc making more money and getting tax breaks, we as tax payers should be grateful that they get tax breaks? is this the bazaaro world? they make billions and we get screwed anyway. even with the tax breaks they have today, we pay more and more for their products. maybe the next president will have the balls to regulate (yes I said it!) these businesses a bit better so no one is getting screwed; which obviously NEEDS to happen as we can see from the results of deregulation in this economy. regulate them and tax them as they should be. I don't trust big business as far as I can throw them. big business is driven by pure greed and if things continue as they are, which I am certain they will under McSame, tax payers will continue to pay the price and suffer as we are today.

[bobbob1313]

Whatever my man.....there is no real reason to come here...

Fucking ridiculous man.

 

Maybe Louie's right, though.

[Duck-Billed Catechist]

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Oh, and by the way, Obama has a HUGE lead. So yes, I think the country is speaking

 

Well, he has a ~5 point lead right now. Wouldn't call that huge. He is looking good in the battleground states.

 

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-...ia-suburbs.html

We were in the Philly burbs this weekend, but here's a story about Montana.

 

About three weeks before the 2006 Tester-Burns election, MSU-Billings put out a poll that showed Jon Tester up by 13 points. This was an especially iffy poll, one in the John Zogby category. We knew internally that the race was much, much tighter, and we also knew that our small but steady lead over the summer months would evaporate the final weekend. The race would be a tossup left to the ground game.

 

But when the poll came out, I began finding volunteers that much harder to convince to trade their free time for knocking and calling help in a race they erroneously felt was safe due to bad polling. Some explicitly told me, aw, Tester's gonna win, we're just figuring out where to have our Election Night watch party. As an organizer, my head nearly exploded even as I calmly smiled through it and kept at the persuasion. Jon Tester won by less than 1%, and the race wasn't called until the next day. Out of roughly 400,000 votes cast, we won by 3,562.

 

What we're seeing on the ground with volunteering, especially with public polls showing double digit leads in Pennsylvania, is that the "flake rate" for volunteers is higher. "Flake rate" is the term for how the percentage of people who sign up to do a canvassing or phonebanking shift, and then don't show up. It tends to happen when a candidate's supporters get complacent. And it can happen in a hurry.

 

Indeed, Barack Obama himself hopped on a nationwide all-staff conference call Friday to emphasize this point to the troops. Pledging to "come down hard" on anyone getting "too cocky," Obama specifically and pre-emptively called out any semblance of lack of focus. High-fiving, for example, is strictly verboten. Acknowledging everyone must be exhausted, he pointed out that he was pretty worn out too. "I've been doing this longer than you, and I'm older than all of you." The message: if I can finish this off, so can you.

[Edie]

and see someone like Bobby Jindal make a run in 2012.

 

You mean the young LA governor with NO foreign affairs experience

 

Also, the republicans (Bush, Bernanke, Paulsen) have just made us the closest to socialism in this country's history.

[kwall]

so as a result of big oil-meds-banks(who by the way are getting BAILED OUT!)-etc making more money and getting tax breaks, we as tax payers should be grateful that they get tax breaks?

if you happen to be employed by them, or have stock in them, or buy their products, yes.

[explodo]

Conservatism isn't going anywhere. In fact, with an Obama White House and a Democrat Congress, we might see a huge groundswell of true Conservatism over the next 4 years, and see someone like Bobby Jindal make a run in 2012.

 

 

 

Conservatives would beg to differ that the country under George Bush has been rolling to the right. And McCain is as moderate as they come.

Bobby Jindal is now true conservatism? Same dude that attends exorcisms? And to be frank, Bush is exactly the same kind of conservatism that has dominated since Reagan: giant defense spending, little or no help for domestic programs (remember that ketchup as a vegetable thing?), trickle-down economics, etc. If conservatism was separated from the hoax that is compassionate conservatism, you are right (thirty years and Roe v. Wade still stands, the green movement has taken hold, gay marriage has yet to be "defeated," etc.). The next generation of conservatives, I'm confident, will be far more socially liberal. So which is true conservatism to you? The balanced budget and free slaves wing or the giant deficit and faux-moral crusading wing?

[bjorn_skurj]

Another reason I think Jon Stewart is a dickhead.

People who live in cities love America too. (See: Aftermath of Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.)

[bobbob1313]

I was thinking about this yesterday though:

 

Shouldn't Obama be destroying McCain? Doesn't the fact that it's even this close show how far off America is from the democratic party? That's kind of how I see. A combo of that and the republicans just being way better at running campaigns.

[JUDE]

I'm all about balancing the budget and freeing slaves.

 

Wait, do we still have slaves?

 

 

 

yeah, wake me up too.

 

so as a result of big oil-meds-banks(who by the way are getting BAILED OUT!)-etc making more money and getting tax breaks, we as tax payers should be grateful that they get tax breaks? is this the bazaaro world? they make billions and we get screwed anyway. even with the tax breaks they have today, we pay more and more for their products. maybe the next president will have the balls to regulate (yes I said it!) these businesses a bit better so no one is getting screwed; which obviously NEEDS to happen as we can see from the results of deregulation in this economy. regulate them and tax them as they should be. I don't trust big business as far as I can throw them. big business is driven by pure greed and if things continue as they are, which I am certain they will under McSame, tax payers will continue to pay the price and suffer as we are today.

 

 

This should really make your 401K account shine.

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i guess it depends on your definition of "fair" and your definition of "socialism". i rely on karl marx for my definition of socialism, who called for a "heavy progressive or graduated income tax" as one of the measures to "spread the wealth".

 

so what is your definition of "fair" for the people? should I as a middle class tax payer get a tax break? what about the millionaire who get's a bigger tax break than me, is that fair? just what is YOUR definition of fair. is the fact that Exxon gets a tax break when they generate billions of dollars annually on inflated gas prices fair? I think not.

[kwall]

Wait, do we still have slaves?

i heard that mccain wants to nominate supreme court justices that will bring back slavery.

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This should really make your 401K account shine.

 

as a result of their greed, my 401K is shit right now.

[JUDE]

so what is your definition of "fair" for the people? should I as a middle class tax payer get a tax break? what about the millionaire who get's a bigger tax break than me, is that fair? just what is YOUR definition of fair. is the fact that Exxon gets a tax break when they generate billions of dollars annually on inflated gas prices fair? I think not.

 

How about a use tax, I

[Party @ the Moontower]

That is a bunch of crap. Every single democrat is the most liberal in congress depennding on who you are talking to. If the issue is Kennedy tomorrow he will be the most liberal, if it is Pelosi the next day she will be and on and on. More talk radio bullsh*t

 

How about we start talking about the most conservative members of congress as being the truely scary people they are? Palin may not be in congress but she is one frightening person. Michelle Bachman (Bush stalker from MN)? Hmmm calling for new McCarthy style hearings? Interesting. How about McCian himself? Portrays himself as a centrist, but still wants to keep the disasterous far riaght policies of the past 4 years going? Conservatives still want to push the same crap in the same packaging even as they see it fail miserably. I see that portion of the equation as being far more dangerous to the long term health of our nation. So take the "Most liberal" crap and shove it. And please none of this "but that's not what conservatism is as I believe it" crap. Because conservatism today is what you see, it's not what you dream. the reality of it has separated its self so far fromt he theory that the theory of it might as well be a distant myth.

 

Great post.

 

Your right, most people who consider themselves to be a conservative republican are truly confused (and scared) as to who this McCain/Palin really are and where they would lead this country. Does anyone really think they represent the ideal republican party? I think McCain is pretending to be conservative to get to the white house.Not long ago he said the nutty republican platform plank on the abortion issue should be rewritten, then went on to say that if his daughter became pregnant, it would be up to her to decide whether to have an abortion. oldie but goodie show of how McCain ain't no conservative Just one of about 70 or so issues he has changed his mind on to get elected. Who is McCain?

[kwall]

should I as a middle class tax payer get a tax break?

sounds good to me.

 

what about the millionaire who get's a bigger tax break than me, is that fair?

i'd have to hear a more specific description of "bigger".

 

just what is YOUR definition of fair.

i like the flat tax idea.

 

is the fact that Exxon gets a tax break when they generate billions of dollars annually on inflated gas prices fair? I think not.

i don't know, i'd have to see what they pay in taxes and what the break is.