solace Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 your candidate says otherwise. it's so great of you to lookout for those more fortunate Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 your candidate says otherwise.No, YOUR candidate mischaracterizes it otherwise. Just bleat along with whatever he says. Baaa .... Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 it's so great of you to lookout for those more fortunate That is the one thing that really kills me. I can understand the core right wing issues. I can't understand a majority of the party bleating along about taxes when the party they're dutifully backing continually fleeces them down to the follicles. And all they have to say is "taxes" and "big government" and it's like Pavlov's dog at the feeder bar. The defense is "the upper 5% won't have to pay anyway so why make an attempt to collect from them. or the left is going to spend the money worse than the right, which has turned around a budge surplus to a debt approaching $10 trillion. Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Back the bus up, I'm not even going down the false filing road, I'm merely saying that there are plenty of ways to reduce or postpone your tax liabilities almost indefinitely within the current structure, especially if you are wealthy. grrrrrr! again though, the current tax structure needs to be changed. Link to post Share on other sites
fatheadfred Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 So you are willing to give him 100% of the credit for his success as a candidate, despite practically everything going right for him over the past 18 months. Cool.He has done a great job of finding people to manage his campaign. He has done a great job of handling difficult situations. For instance the North Carolina woman that shouted at him in the cafe today. I see his quick thinking and ability to manage people as key to his success. On the other hand, John has not been so cool and had fits with both his primary and general campaign staff. We aren't even sure that he chose his VP. While some can say we are in love with Obama's rock star image, you can also say we admire his charisma and wit. Either way you say it, his campaign is knocking the socks off of the GOP campaign in terms of organization and public relations. Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 especially if you're politically connected at all. you get the tax code customized for you. which is a lot of shit. Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 nevermind the fact that too many people just don't understand how taxes work. under Obama's plan, someone making $250,000 or less won't have their taxes go up whatsoever, in fact they'll get a tax cut. if someone makes $250,001, their taxes up to the $250,000 mark will be at the same 36%. only that $1 will ba taxed at the 39% rate, which if you do the math, means they'd be paying an extra 3 cents... gimme a break... Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 "Obama professes a love for this country. One needn Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Back the bus up, I'm not even going down the false filing road, I'm merely saying that there are plenty of ways to reduce or postpone your tax liabilities almost indefinitely within the current structure, especially if you are wealthy. especially if you're politically connected at all. you get the tax code customized for you. Both of these statements are true. Here is an example. In the early 1980 Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 your candidate says otherwise.We like to refer to him as "that one." Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 finally some signs of intellect and reason at McCain/Palin rallies! good for them: Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 finally some signs of intellect and reason at McCain/Palin rallies! good for them: this is good to see! Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 A little far-right punditry from the NY Post to try to balance out this way left thread: AMERICA THE WEAKUS RISKS TURMOIL UNDER PREZ O by Ralph Peters Posted: 4:51 amOctober 20, 2008 IF Sen. Barack Obama is elected president, our re public will survive, but our international strategy and some of our allies may not. His first year in office would conjure globe-spanning challenges as our enemies piled on to exploit his weakness. Add in Sen. Joe Biden - with his track record of calling every major foreign-policy crisis wrong for 35 years - as vice president and de facto secretary of State, and we'd face a formula for strategic disaster. Where would the avalanche of confrontations come from? * Al Qaeda. Pandering to his extreme base, Obama has projected an image of being soft on terror. Toss in his promise to abandon Iraq, and you can be sure that al Qaeda will pull out all the stops to kill as many Americans as possible - in Iraq, Afghanistan and, if they can, here at home - hoping that America will throw away the victories our troops bought with their blood. * Pakistan. As this nuclear-armed country of 170 million anti-American Muslims grows more fragile by the day, the save-the-Taliban elements in the Pakistani intelligence services and body politic will avoid taking serious action against "their" terrorists (while theatrically annoying Taliban elements they can't control). The Pakistanis think Obama would lose Afghanistan - and they believe they can reap the subsequent whirlwind. * Iran. Got nukes? If the Iranians are as far along with their nuclear program as some reports insist, expect a mushroom cloud above an Iranian test range next year. Even without nukes, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would try the new administration's temper in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Persian Gulf. * Israel. In the Middle East, Obama's election would be read as the end of staunch US support for Israel. Backed by Syria and Iran, Hezbollah would provoke another, far-bloodier war with Israel. Lebanon would disintegrate. * Saudi Arabia. Post-9/11 attention to poisonous Saudi proselytizing forced the kingdom to be more discreet in fomenting terrorism and religious hatred abroad. Convinced that Obama will be more "tolerant" toward militant Islam, the Saudis would redouble their funding of bigotry and butchery-for-Allah - in the US, too. * Russia. Got Ukraine? Not for long, slabiye Amerikantsi. Russia's new czar, Vladimir Putin, intends to gobble Ukraine next year, assured that NATO will be divided and the US can be derided. Aided by the treasonous Kiev politico Yulia Timoshenko - a patriot when it suited her ambition, but now a Russian collaborator - the Kremlin is set to reclaim the most important state it still regards as its property. Overall, 2009 may see the starkest repression of freedom since Stalin seized Eastern Europe. * Georgia. Our Georgian allies should dust off their Russian dictionaries. * Venezuela. Hugo Chavez will intensify the rape of his country's hemorrhaging democracy and, despite any drop in oil revenue, he'll do all he can to export his megalomaniacal version of gun-barrel socialism. He'll seek a hug-for-the-cameras meet with President Obama as early as possible. * Bolivia. Chavez client President Evo Morales could order his military to seize control of his country's dissident eastern provinces, whose citizens resist his repression, extortion and semi-literate Leninism. President Obama would do nothing as yet another democracy toppled and bled. * North Korea. North Korea will expect a much more generous deal from the West for annulling its pursuit of nuclear weapons. And it will regard an Obama administration as a green light to cheat. * NATO. The brave young democracies of Central and Eastern Europe will be gravely discouraged, while the appeasers in Western Europe will again have the upper hand. Putin will be allowed to do what he wants. * The Kurds. An Obama administration will abandon our only true allies between Tel Aviv and Tokyo. * Democracy activists. Around the world, regressive regimes will intensify their suppression - and outright murder - of dissidents who risk their lives for freedom and justice. An Obama administration will say all the right things, but do nothing. * Women's rights. If you can't vote in US elections, sister, you're screwed. Being stoned to death or buried alive is just a cultural thing. * Journalists. American journalists who've done everything they can to elect Barack Obama can watch as regimes around the world imprison, torture and murder their foreign colleagues, confident that the US has entered an era of impotence. The crocodile tears in newsrooms will provide drought relief to the entire southeastern US. Sen. John McCain's campaign has allowed a great man to be maligned as a mere successor to George W. Bush. The truth is that an Obama administration would be a second Carter presidency - only far worse. Think Bush weakened America? Just wait. Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 That is fantastic, thanks Kyle. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 edit: not you, Peel Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Are you saying I'm not funny? Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 A little far-right punditry from the NY Post to try to balance out this way left thread: AMERICA THE WEAKUS RISKS TURMOIL UNDER PREZ O by Ralph Peters Posted: 4:51 amOctober 20, 2008 IF Sen. Barack Obama is elected president, our re public will survive, but our international strategy and some of our allies may not. His first year in office would conjure globe-spanning challenges as our enemies piled on to exploit his weakness. Add in Sen. Joe Biden - with his track record of calling every major foreign-policy crisis wrong for 35 years - as vice president and de facto secretary of State, and we'd face a formula for strategic disaster. Where would the avalanche of confrontations come from? * Al Qaeda. Pandering to his extreme base, Obama has projected an image of being soft on terror. Toss in his promise to abandon Iraq, and you can be sure that al Qaeda will pull out all the stops to kill as many Americans as possible - in Iraq, Afghanistan and, if they can, here at home - hoping that America will throw away the victories our troops bought with their blood. * Pakistan. As this nuclear-armed country of 170 million anti-American Muslims grows more fragile by the day, the save-the-Taliban elements in the Pakistani intelligence services and body politic will avoid taking serious action against "their" terrorists (while theatrically annoying Taliban elements they can't control). The Pakistanis think Obama would lose Afghanistan - and they believe they can reap the subsequent whirlwind. * Iran. Got nukes? If the Iranians are as far along with their nuclear program as some reports insist, expect a mushroom cloud above an Iranian test range next year. Even without nukes, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would try the new administration's temper in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Persian Gulf. * Israel. In the Middle East, Obama's election would be read as the end of staunch US support for Israel. Backed by Syria and Iran, Hezbollah would provoke another, far-bloodier war with Israel. Lebanon would disintegrate. * Saudi Arabia. Post-9/11 attention to poisonous Saudi proselytizing forced the kingdom to be more discreet in fomenting terrorism and religious hatred abroad. Convinced that Obama will be more "tolerant" toward militant Islam, the Saudis would redouble their funding of bigotry and butchery-for-Allah - in the US, too. * Russia. Got Ukraine? Not for long, slabiye Amerikantsi. Russia's new czar, Vladimir Putin, intends to gobble Ukraine next year, assured that NATO will be divided and the US can be derided. Aided by the treasonous Kiev politico Yulia Timoshenko - a patriot when it suited her ambition, but now a Russian collaborator - the Kremlin is set to reclaim the most important state it still regards as its property. Overall, 2009 may see the starkest repression of freedom since Stalin seized Eastern Europe. * Georgia. Our Georgian allies should dust off their Russian dictionaries. * Venezuela. Hugo Chavez will intensify the rape of his country's hemorrhaging democracy and, despite any drop in oil revenue, he'll do all he can to export his megalomaniacal version of gun-barrel socialism. He'll seek a hug-for-the-cameras meet with President Obama as early as possible. * Bolivia. Chavez client President Evo Morales could order his military to seize control of his country's dissident eastern provinces, whose citizens resist his repression, extortion and semi-literate Leninism. President Obama would do nothing as yet another democracy toppled and bled. * North Korea. North Korea will expect a much more generous deal from the West for annulling its pursuit of nuclear weapons. And it will regard an Obama administration as a green light to cheat. * NATO. The brave young democracies of Central and Eastern Europe will be gravely discouraged, while the appeasers in Western Europe will again have the upper hand. Putin will be allowed to do what he wants. * The Kurds. An Obama administration will abandon our only true allies between Tel Aviv and Tokyo. * Democracy activists. Around the world, regressive regimes will intensify their suppression - and outright murder - of dissidents who risk their lives for freedom and justice. An Obama administration will say all the right things, but do nothing. * Women's rights. If you can't vote in US elections, sister, you're screwed. Being stoned to death or buried alive is just a cultural thing. * Journalists. American journalists who've done everything they can to elect Barack Obama can watch as regimes around the world imprison, torture and murder their foreign colleagues, confident that the US has entered an era of impotence. The crocodile tears in newsrooms will provide drought relief to the entire southeastern US. Sen. John McCain's campaign has allowed a great man to be maligned as a mere successor to George W. Bush. The truth is that an Obama administration would be a second Carter presidency - only far worse. Think Bush weakened America? Just wait. Translation: * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 finally some signs of intellect and reason at McCain/Palin rallies! good for them: That is all they have to go on - a bunch of slander and lies. I hope those who are going to vote for them figure this out by November 4th. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Are you saying I'm not funny?Well, you are, just not as funny as Ralph Peters. Link to post Share on other sites
explodo Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Translation: * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear Because foreign affairs has been our strong point the last eight years....... Link to post Share on other sites
Basil II Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 a hybrid of capitalism and socialism. It's called the "New Deal" with a dash of the "Great Society" -Robert Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Fear and balanced or Balanced with Fear Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Translation: * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear couldn't have said it better. signs of desperation for a desperate party. Link to post Share on other sites
NightOfJoy Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 It's called the "New Deal" with a dash of the "Great Society" -Robert Oh, sounds good! Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Translation: * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear * Fear You're so dean on. How silly of anyone to doubt Obama's abilities to handle potential international problems! Link to post Share on other sites
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