redjim Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I love the "calm down" stuff by folks who continue to try and stir the pot. Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 That was a joke, dude. I got it...that's why you got the laughing dog Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I love the "calm down" stuff by folks who continue to try and stir the pot. calm down sweet pants. Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Has the "what if Ditka ran in 2004" discussion been brought up here? Supposedly, Ditka was the GOP's original choice to replace kinkmeister Jack Ryan in the Illinois senate race. Speaking of people who are worshipped, I think it's fair to say that Ditka would have beaten Obama handily... Ditka has way more baggage than Ryan could ever imagine and it all would have come out had he run. Not running preserved his income, lifestyle and legend. Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I love the "calm down" stuff by folks who continue to try and stir the pot. So now I'm FOLKS? Link to post Share on other sites
redjim Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 That's Sweet Messiah to you Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Ditka has way more baggage than Ryan could ever imagine and it all would have come out had he run. Not running preserved his income, lifestyle and legend.Ditka's a stroke. Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I think it's fair to say that Ditka would have beaten Obama handily...Ditka vs. 100 Divine Obamas?Normal-sized Ditka or Tiny Ditka?Tiny Ditka. Tiny Ditka: 375100 Divine Obamas: 2 Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 transformational means transformational, it doesn't mean messiah. as someone pointed out, bush has been transformational -- and because of it, a lot of people are looking for transformational again, of a different sort, out of this black hole. i think any changes obama might manage to bring about on the home front would be down-to-earth, slow-moving, and more inclusive than we've seen in a very long time. it's on the international front, our relations with the rest of the world, where he could soar in ways crucial to citizens of all countries. he does stand for intelligent communication, diplomacy, hope, and we-are-all-in-this-together; this inspires not only americans but people all over the globe. i think the world is sorely missing this kind of leader -- even starved for it. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Has the "what if Ditka ran in 2004" discussion been brought up here? Supposedly, Ditka was the GOP's original choice to replace kinkmeister Jack Ryan in the Illinois senate race. Speaking of people who are worshipped, I think it's fair to say that Ditka would have beaten Obama handily...I'm not sure. Either way, I don't think he would like being a Senator. Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I'm not sure. Either way, I don't think he would like being a Senator. I would pay to see vs. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Link A Catholic Shift to Obama? By E. J. Dionne Jr.Tuesday, October 21, 2008; Page A17 It has become commonplace in American politics: Certain Roman Catholic bishops declare that the faithful should cast their ballots on the basis of a limited number of "nonnegotiable issues," notably opposition to abortion. Conservative Catholics cheer, more liberal Catholics howl. And that is usually the end of the story. Not this year. Catholics, who are quintessential swing voters and gave narrow but crucial support to President Bush in 2004, are drifting toward Barack Obama. And this time, some church leaders are suggesting that single-issue voting is by no means a Catholic commandment. In an interview yesterday, Gabino Zavala, an auxiliary bishop in the Los Angeles Archdiocese, said his fellow bishops have long insisted that "we're not a one-issue church," a view reflected in their 2007 document "Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship."ad_icon "But that's not always what comes out," says Zavala, who is also bishop-president of the Catholic peace group Pax Christi USA. "What I believe, and what the church teaches, is that one abortion is too many. That's why I believe abortion is so important. But in light of this, there are many other issues we need to bring up, other issues we should consider, other issues that touch the reality of our lives." Those issues, Bishop Zavala said, include racism, torture, genocide, immigration, war and the impact of the economic downturn "on the most vulnerable among us, the elderly, poor children, single mothers." "We know that neither of the political parties supports everything the church teaches," he added. "We are not going to create a culture of life if we don't talk about all the life issues, beginning with abortion but including all of them." Zavala was careful to say that he did not want to take issue with any of his fellow bishops. But his view contrasts with that of others in the hierarchy. This month, for example, Bishop Joseph F. Martino of the Scranton (Pa.) Diocese issued a letter warning that "being 'right' on taxes, education, health care, immigration and the economy fails to make up for the error of disregarding the value of a human life." He added: "It is a tragic irony that 'pro-choice' candidates have come to support homicide -- the gravest injustice a society can tolerate -- in the name of 'social justice.' " Bishop Zavala's desire to speak out with an alternative view is a sign of how much has changed in four years: Progressive Catholics are now as organized as conservative Catholics were in 2004. At Web sites such as http://ProLifeProObama.com, they are arguing that the abortion question does not trump all other concerns. The impact of the new Catholic politics could be substantial. Catholics are often a decisive electoral group partly because church membership ranges from upscale to working-class whites, a large group of Latinos, and a significant number of African Americans. Catholics typically make up about a quarter of the electorate, and they are strategically located. White (non-Latino) Catholics are important in such swing states as Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, while Latino Catholics make up a notable share of the populations of New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada and Florida. Polls have varied in measuring the Catholic shift toward the Democrats, but Obama seems to be running ahead of John Kerry's performance in 2004. According to the network exit polls, Bush carried 52 percent of the Catholic vote to 47 percent for Kerry. By contrast, a mid-October Pew Research Center survey showed Obama leading John McCain among Catholics by 55 percent to 35 percent. Post surveys over the same period have found more modest Catholic gains for Obama. A Post tracking poll released yesterday showed Obama and McCain splitting the Catholic vote at 48 percent each. Obama's Catholic share probably stands somewhere between the Pew and Post numbers. But even a split among Catholics could mark a sufficient improvement over Kerry's performance to tip key states the Democrat's way. In many respects, Catholics simply reflect the country as a whole in moving toward the Democrats because of frustrations with the economy and the Bush years. But the Catholic debate entails a very particular argument over what counts as a commitment to life. To an unexpected degree, this election could hang on the struggle of Catholic voters with their priorities and their consciences. Link to post Share on other sites
austrya Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Yay, Catholic's for Obama!! Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 That's Sweet Messiah to youThe far, far right could always paint him as the antichrist. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Wow, Catholics for Obama. Time for a group email to my family. Link to post Share on other sites
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Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 This is like quoting something stupid that Rush Limbaugh has said and the leaping to the conclusion that every single conservative in America feels exactly the same way. If the proclaimations in a Philadelphia Inquirer Editorial (or opinon piece...never can keep the distinction straight) of imminent race and class war if Obama loses and the cited hyperbolic praise doesn't give you pause...well...so be it. Americans tend to deal with and judge harshly those that we put on a pedestal. Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Link (Hugh Hewitt, Towhall.com): Tuesday, October 21, 2008Catholics and the VotePosted by: Hugh Hewitt at 8:27 AM E.J. Dionne found an auxiliary bishop to quote in support of the idea that the Catholic hierarchy in America is split on the upcoming election. I salute E.J.'s investigative skills in tracking down Gabino Zavala, an auxiliary bishop in the Los Angeles Archdiocese,the one bishop who provides a little cover for the idea that a faithful Catholic can vote in good conscience for Obama. But even the elevation of Zavala to national prominence in the pages of the Washington Post doesn't change the fact that the Roman Catholic leadership has never been this united or this vocal in denouncing the agenda of a nominee. Denver's Archbishop Charles Chaput put it bluntly a few days ago in a statement that was not included in E.J.'s column. Here's the key paragraph from a speech he gave: "I believe that Senator Obama, whatever his other talents, is the most committed ''abortion-rights'' presidential candidate of either major party since the Roe v. Wade abortion decision in 1973. Despite what Prof. Kmiec suggests, the party platform Senator Obama runs on this year is not only aggressively ''pro-choice;'' it has also removed any suggestion that killing an unborn child might be a regrettable thing. On the question of homicide against the unborn child - and let's remember that the great Lutheran pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer explicitly called abortion ''murder'' - the Democratic platform that emerged from Denver in August 2008 is clearly anti-life." With a host of issues swirling about in the pivotal closing weeks of the election --including Joe Biden's blunt warning that our enemies will test Obama if he is elected and Biden's strong implication that Obama will blink, plus the recovery destroying high tax "spread the wealth" program of Obama-Pelosi-Reid-- there is still an effort to try and coax Catholic swing voters in places like PA, Ohio and Minnesota into Obama's camp. Many Catholics will follow E.J. into Camp Obama, of course, but only if they ignore the teachings of their Church and the blunt speech of their senior leadership. Link to post Share on other sites
explodo Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Hugh Hewitt is made out of plastic. Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Many Catholics will follow E.J. into Camp Obama, of course, but only if they ignore the teachings of their Church and the blunt speech of their senior leadership.Kinda like how they do on the issue of premarital sex? Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 The Biggest WTF moment that has gotten no play. Biden seems determined to follow in the footsteps of every Democratic candidate since 1980 (outside of Clinton) and snatch defeat from the Jaws of victory. ABC News Link to post Share on other sites
austrya Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 So if Osama Bin Laden were eligible to be president, and he was a candidate and the only one who was pro-life, Catholics would have to vote for him? How silly. Obama is not pro-abortion. He's not telling people to get abortions, he's saying he wants the government to stay out of the decision. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 The Biggest WTF moment that has gotten no play. Biden seems determined to follow in the footsteps of every Democratic candidate since 1980 (outside of Clinton) and snatch defeat from the Jaws of victory.it got some play yesterday and several pages ago. My response was "great". Link to post Share on other sites
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