Central Scrutinizer Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Sort of unrelated Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I disagree. So you are willing to give him 100% of the credit for his success as a candidate, despite practically everything going right for him over the past 18 months. Cool. Link to post Share on other sites
watch me fall Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 My state is hanging in there for Obama. A poll by Rasmussen shows O up 6 points in MO. The Real Clear Politics average of recent polls has him up 2.5 points. My sign has only been stolen once. Go Missouri! At lunch today, a friend of mine was telling me that his Obama/Biden sign had been taken from his yard 3 times. The 3rd time he actually caught the guy...his 9 year old neighbor. He went to confront the parents and found the other 2 signs in their garage. Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I'm more concerned by the person's use of "whoo-whee." You will concede that "kill him" "terrorist" and "traitor" shouted at a campaign rally, unchallenged or corrected by McCain or Palin, is maybe a little bit different than a remark overheard during the taping of The Daily Show? 'Round these parts "whoo-whee" is code for some serious killer jive dude. So you are willing to give him 100% of the credit for his success as a candidate, despite practically everything going right for him over the past 18 months. Cool. Oh my... Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 a hybrid of capitalism and socialism.Actually I think we've veered into post WWI pure capitalism -- the financial rollercoaster is due as much to the breaks and regulatory levers removed from the machinery. Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 At lunch today, a friend of mine was telling me that his Obama/Biden sign had been taken from his yard 3 times. The 3rd time he actually caught the guy...his 9 year old neighbor. He went to confront the parents and found the other 2 signs in their garage. Bet that kid was scared! We actually had a car stop and take it. Our drive is too far for a quick catch. Funny, we have 5 other dem signs up for our state leaders, never touched. Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I was thinking about this yesterday though: Shouldn't Obama be destroying McCain? Doesn't the fact that it's even this close show how far off America is from the democratic party? That's kind of how I see. A combo of that and the republicans just being way better at running campaigns.Shouldn't Bush's approval rating be at like zero? I think it says more about the electorate than the campaign. In this day and age, a 5% lead is pretty hefty. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Oh my... What? He's black. That's probably the biggest obstacle he's had to overcome. But he's had the media on his side throughout the entire process (See: The rock star image that so many of you hate which has actually helped him), he's running against a party that is extremely unpopular, and he's running at the time when the political pednulum is naturally swinging back his way. It is very difficult to have a two term president and then have his party win the following election. Things have to go just about perfectly for it to happen. It was the democrats' election to lose this year. He's had a pretty easy go of it, in my book. If anything, McCain's been fighting an uphill battle, and there wasn't really ever a time when I thought the democrats should lose this election. Too much history on their side. Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 You will concede that Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 No. The nut-jobs screaming at the McCain rally and Stewart are doing the same thing.....purposely saying something that they know will cause controversy. The difference isn't in the people saying it, it is in the context of them saying it. Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 hopefully, at least it'll become socially acceptable to criticize him.As opposed to the witch hunts of anyone with a conscience that spoke up during the runup to Gulf War II? Give me a break. Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 No. The nut-jobs screaming at the McCain rally and Stewart are doing the same thing.....purposely saying something that they know will cause controversy. those nut jobs are the Republican base, for the most part. don't you also think that Palin in particular is saying things that will cause controversy? things that are untrue for that matter. Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Rush Limpballs would be in heaven!Yes the guy whose disciples show their discernment by reciting "ditto, ditto, ditto" to whatever he says. Link to post Share on other sites
Elixir Sue Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 So you are willing to give him 100% of the credit for his success as a candidate, despite practically everything going right for him over the past 18 months. Cool.Yeah. Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 it's unconstitutional. Regardless of the legality/illegality of the doctrine you have to admit that homogenization of radio in the US has not been a good thing. Radio has lost it's regional identity and going from town to town there is so little variety music wise that I never listen anymore. Radio today is no different from fast food. McDonalds= burgerking=wendy's=culvers etc.. with an occasional taco bell or KFC thrown in for variety that does not stray too far from the burger barns. Not every word. His name has never collided in the same sentence with "effective," "leadership," "intelligent," "competent," "fair" "conscience" nor "humane". He shoots, he scores! Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 how so? that's part of the goal, right? also, I seriously doubt that paying higher income taxes is going to impede anyone making "1 million plus a year's" ability to buy more stuff. I seriously doubt that if Obama wins and implements his new vision for spreading this countries burden that you will see a significant change to your expendable income and be able to buy more stuff or beef up your retirement account. On the other hand I'll wager you that the people you are hoping will be forced to shoulder the increase will find a way, as they always have, to avoid it. Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Were you holding out for Morgan Freeman?Morgan Freeman from "Bruce Almighty" Or, as is human nature, fear is an even better motivator than hope (which is not to say I agree that Obama will deliver on the hope or the change, both being empty campaign slogans) Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I seriously doubt that if Obama wins and implements his new vision for spreading this countries burden that you will see a significant change to your expendable income and be able to buy more stuff or beef up your retirement account. On the other hand I'll wager you that the people you are hoping will be forced to shoulder the increase will find a way, as they always have, to avoid it. I'm not saying that any huge revelation is going to occur if Obama is elected. as far as those who get out of paying the amount of taxes that they should pay should be penalized just like anyone else who files falsely. Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 No. The nut-jobs screaming at the McCain rally and Stewart are doing the same thing.....purposely saying something that they know will cause controversy.No. The former is empathy. The latter is psychotic. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 No. The nut-jobs screaming at the McCain rally and Stewart are doing the same thing.....purposely saying something that they know will cause controversy. Wow, just Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 So you are willing to give him 100% of the credit for his success as a candidate, despite practically everything going right for him over the past 18 months. Cool."Everything going right for him over the past 18 months?" That's ingenuous. I was doubtful about him -- especially given that I thought Clinton was the country's best hope (and look what she was forced to try to overcome, compared to every other candidate INCLUDING McCain). I think in most cases Obama's made his own luck, and succeeded from all the right moves. Claiming he's succeeded by celebrity is pretty empty. Celebrity gave McCain a bump with Palin; lack of substance took all the wind out of it and left him with a hollow shrew who can only quack attacks. Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I'm not saying that any huge revelation is going to occur if Obama is elected. as far as those who get out of paying the amount of taxes that they should pay should be penalized just like anyone else who files falsely. Back the bus up, I'm not even going down the false filing road, I'm merely saying that there are plenty of ways to reduce or postpone your tax liabilities almost indefinitely within the current structure, especially if you are wealthy. Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Back the bus up, I'm not even going down the false filing road, I'm merely saying that there are plenty of ways to reduce or postpone your tax liabilities almost indefinitely within the current structure, especially if you are wealthy.I agree with this, and it is one of the things that Obama will have to be watched on closely; especially if the taxes don't generate the revenue he envisions. I don't think Obama is looking to be a free spender; he has made the points that where he'll add, he'll cut elsewhere. Frankly something has to be done to protect the middle class who has been left without work, without retirement, left to pick shyte with the chickens. They have been ponying up the money that has spelled record profits, been the victims when unregulated markets had to be bailed out (honestly, the lower-class schmoes who defaulted on their loans are a small percentage of why we're facing a $700 billion bailout). It's about time that those upper 5% of the population have to jump through a few hoops to keep a few bucks; everyone else has been doing it far too long. AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, IT'S ABOUT STOPPING THE FLEECING OF THE MIDDLE CLASS. Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Back the bus up, I'm not even going down the false filing road, I'm merely saying that there are plenty of ways to reduce or postpone your tax liabilities almost indefinitely within the current structure, especially if you are wealthy.especially if you're politically connected at all. you get the tax code customized for you. Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTHyour candidate says otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites
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