Presidential Race (Respector Edition)

[NoJ]

yes

 

Jules baby, you are one of the funniest guys on the innernets.

[ih8music]

you guys think Presidetn Bush has higher character than President Clinton does?

 

I don't think GWB ever cheated on his wife, so there's that.

[NoJ]

How many wars did Clinton lie and mislead America into?

[The High Heat]

A person can have character and still be an A-Hole when he needs to be. I don't think Romney has any character and will probably be an A-Hole at all the wrong times.

 

Jimmy Carter is a man of character, but did not have a good run as President. Obama gets compared to Carter a lot, but I do not agree with the comparison. Obama can be cutthroat and shrewd. It's too bad he can't get the Repubs to sit down and work with him. They'd probably like him more than they think they would.

[KevinG]

maybe I should qualify this a bit. It is how brazen RR is being with this and many other things (welfare comments, "you didn't build that", Ryan's marathon, the taxes, so on and so forth). Really how can you believe anything thing they say?

[Atticus]

to be fair, a married guy inserting a cigar into an intern's vagina in the oval office is probably a grey area, ethically.

[Tweedling]

The Arab spring sure has sprung. Clinton said she was shocked by the violence. Is anyone truly shocked?! I'm shocked that any political figure would be shocked! She also said it was a small group of thugs in Cairo.....I think the total came to a thousand+? Is anyone shocked that Obama can not find time to meet with Netanyahu but can find time to hang with Lebron, Jay Z and attend the glorious fund raiser in Las Vegas?

[KevinG]

The Arab spring sure has sprung. Clinton said she was shocked by the violence. Is anyone truly shocked?! I'm shocked that any political figure would be shocked! She also said it was a small group of thugs in Cairo.....I think the total came to a thousand+? Is anyone shocked that Obama can not find time to meet with Netanyahu but can find time to hang with Lebron, Jay Z and attend the glorious fund raiser in Las Vegas?

 

What exactly is your point here?

 

The Arab spring was an uprising of democracy, and now that democracy has run its course you are upset that the people elected aren't to your liking?

 

So about the meeting with Netanyahu:

But the White House denied any intentional snub of Netanyahu, saying that the president was not able to meet the Israeli leader in New York because the pair would not be in the city on the same day. It also said Netanyahu did not request a meeting in Washington, "nor was a request for a meeting ever denied".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/11/obama-binyamin-netanyahu-us-visit?newsfeed=true

 

How is it a snub if he didn't ask for a meeting? I am sure the GOP spin machine will blow this out of proportion too.

 

In fact PBO and Netanyahu had a phone conversation yesterday on Iran: http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/Obama-Discusses-Iran-Nuclear-Threat-With-3859828.php

[ih8music]

As an aside, I think we need to use acronyms for all prominent politicians. PBO, VPJB, SSHRC, PCMR, VPCPR, FPBC, FPIGWB, etc.

 

Makes it all simpler, no?

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

How many wars did Clinton lie and mislead America into?

 

Either one too many (Ask the Serbians) one too few (ask the Rwandans).

 

In other words, according to the Clinton administration, ethnic cleansing in Southern Europe...bad. Genocide in Central Africa...well...let's not talkabout that.

[IRememberDBoon]

How many wars did Clinton lie and mislead America into?

 

that doesnt matter!! President Clinton got blown by Monica!!!

[choo-choo-charlie]

to be fair, a married guy inserting a cigar into an intern's vagina in the oval office is probably a grey area, ethically.

 

That's "oval orifice."

[lost highway]

Here's how I see it:

 

Douche bag, anti-Islamic producer makes hate film.

Psycho Libyans interpret it as a general American attitude and kill diplomats.

Douche bag Republican Candidate tries to get traction out of it and it blows up in his face.

Other douche bag Americans try to characterize Libya for homicide, the way the psychos characterized America with a hate film.

 

I just want to sit down for a cup of tea with all of the regular folk in Libya and tell them I don't interpret one group's bloodlust as their national agenda, and that I hope they don't think American xenophobia is mine.

[Tweedling]

What exactly is your point here?

 

The Arab spring was an uprising of democracy, and now that democracy has run its course you are upset that the people elected aren't to your liking?

 

So about the meeting with Netanyahu:

http://www.guardian....t?newsfeed=true

 

How is it a snub if he didn't ask for a meeting? I am sure the GOP spin machine will blow this out of proportion too.

 

In fact PBO and Netanyahu had a phone conversation yesterday on Iran: http://www.sfgate.co...ith-3859828.php

Really? Who was elected? It looks like a big ol' shit storm over there to me. I think it's peculiar to applaud the "democracy" when it looks like one crisis after another.

My point is, I dont think this administration is as great with foreign relations as we're all told they are.

As far as your quote from the White House out of the UK, here is one from the Huff:

An Israeli official said the White House had refused Netanyahu's request to meet Obama when the Israeli leader visits the United States to attend the U.N. General Assembly, telling the Israelis "the

president's schedule will not permit that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/obama-avoids-israeli-prim_n_1874814.html

Not mention you left off from your quote that

However, Israeli officials continued to assert in private that Obama appeared to have snubbed the Israeli leader.

GOP spin machine?

And a phone call?! Good job.....

And I'd like to ask, where are the Libyans and Egyptians condemning and denouncing this violence?! Drinking tea? I truly fear that this "Arab spring" is breeding a new hatred for America and we don't want to admit it. I may be wrong but I may be right.

[Shakespeare In The Alley]

And I'd like to ask, where are the Libyans and Egyptians condemning and denouncing this violence?! Drinking tea? I truly fear that this "Arab spring" is breeding a new hatred for America and we don't want to admit it. I may be wrong but I may be right.

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[Tweedling]

 

http://www.buzzfeed....ogizing-to-amer

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http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI

Pretty cool. Thanks

[kidsmoke]

http://www.buzzfeed....ogizing-to-amer

http://www.buzzfeed....ng-for-american

http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI

 

These pictures are very moving.

[lost highway]

http://www.buzzfeed....ogizing-to-amer

http://www.buzzfeed....ng-for-american

http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI

 

That was a great way of letting the sane voices speak. This whole deal has many cans of worms you can open, here are a few:

 

The U.S. can not take ownership of Arab Spring. Its successes and failures can not be attributed to or blamed on our president, or nation

 

Revolution is always messy. It doesn't always turn out well.

 

There is an American (perhaps human) tendency to look across the ocean and place a stamp on an entire nation of people. To say that Libya as a whole is crazy is to say that everyone in Mexico is either a drug lord, or being terrorized by one. There are Israeli anti-Zionist activists, Palestinian pacifists, just as their are American communists.

 

The temptation to view a citizenry as perfectly homogenized under the banner of their government is a way to prevent cognitive dissonance when making war. It's hard to stomach the concept of a kindly web designer, or teacher, or janitor living in Baghdad, who died as "collateral damage" for having the bad luck of living in Husein's Iraq. This is because it is fundamentally unethical and anyone who tells you it's a necessary evil probably has the luxury of standing on the lucky side of the gun.

[KevinG]

 

Not mention you left off from your quote that

However, Israeli officials continued to assert in private that Obama appeared to have snubbed the Israeli leader.

 

 

I think the important thing here is "in private." Whereas the statement from the WH was a public one that there was no request for a meeting. I tend to believe statements made in public over those made behind closed doors. It comes to a case of he said he said. I also think this is all much ado about nothing.

 

 

My point is, I dont think this administration is as great with foreign relations as we're all told they are.

 

Ok, that is fine. But Romney has shown anytime he dabbles into any type of foreign policy he sticks his foot in his mouth. He is an opportunist willing to jump on any little thing to make political points rather than be thoughtful and measured. Even many GOPer question his response (http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/foreign-policy-hands-voice-disbelief-at-romney-cai).

 

I have said it before if Romney is elected we will have troops in Iran by the end of 2013. And we have seen how a war in the middle east and tax cuts for the rich works on the economy.

 

Losthighway really put the Arab spring in perspective and I thank him for that.

[Sparky speaks]

One guy got it right. From August 2011...

 

[IRememberDBoon]

oh good lord

[Sparky speaks]

Oh good lord is right. From June 2011...

 

CIA asset: 'Libyan opposition is al-Qaeda'

 

[Tweedling]

I dare to say no matter who is president, we'll have troops in Iran. It's not like they're going to slow down their nuclear facilities and we all know what they plan to use it for.

[Winston Legthigh]

I dare to say no matter who is president, we'll have troops in Iran. It's not like they're going to slow down their nuclear facilities and we all know what they plan to use it for.

 

So what's stopping us from going into North Korea then?

 

Oh right, not a ton of oil there.

[Sparky speaks]

Did we invade the Soviet Union? Did we bomb Communist China? They had WMDs and we were told for decades they were going to use them. Iraq was supposed to have them also. How did that turn out for over 4,000 Americans? Iran doesn't even have them yet. Who knows if they ever will. Even if they did develop them, so what? Do you think they would risk total inhalation if they ever tried to use the one or two primitive weapons they might be able to build? Iran has never invaded another country in over two centuries. The war with Iraq was defensive. Israel has nukes and has never allowed inspectors in to their facilities or signed on the NPT. Maybe we should be getting ready to bomb them too? War was a bad option when the hated Bush Administration and the neocons reigned supreme and it is a bad option under Bush term III Obama.

 

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1836979867001/