peqger Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Woah son, put down the crack pipe.....This never gets old. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheMaker Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 yes, a *chief* songwriter as noted on Wilco's two best albums It is an inalienable fact that ST and YHF are Wilco's best albums. Set in stone, it is! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Farrar didn't lose a chief songwriter (yes, a *chief* songwriter as noted on Wilco's two best albums) and forge ahead.The credits you posted undermine your own argument. If Tweedy wrote all the lyrics, and Bennett is listed as a co-writer for the music only, that does not make him a "chief" songwriter. That makes him a collaborator, but the songs are still Tweedy's, because he wrote the lyrics and probably at least half of the music. IT'S INCREDIBLY SIMPLE LOGIC, to quote you. You obviously don't understand the meaning of the word "chief." Allow me to assist (emphasis mine): From Dictionary.com: adjective-- highest in rank or authority.-- most important; principal. From American Heritage Dictionary: adj.-- Highest in rank, authority, or office.-- Most important or influential. From WordNet: adjective1. most important element Now, if you still want to sit there and claim that you believe Bennett was a "chief" songwriter, even though he's responsible for exactly NONE of the lyrics and an indeterminate percentage (though probably less than 50%) of the music, you go right ahead. But you're wrong, wrong, wrong, couldn't be more wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 I'd also like to throw in the fact that I am absolultely certain that no member of Son Volt ever contributed a guitar lick or a bridge or a fill by virtue of the fact that Jay Farrar never listed that member in the songwriting credits. Absolutely every word and every note was written and performed by Jay Farrar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 I'd also like to throw in the fact that I am absolultely certain that no member of Son Volt ever contributed a guitar lick or a bridge or a fill by virtue of the fact that Jay Farrar never listed that member in the songwriting credits. Absolutely every word and every note was written and performed by Jay Farrar.One time I was with Farrar in the back of a pickup truck, along with a live deer. Farrar goes up to the deer and says, "I'm Jay Farrar! SAY IT!" Then he manipulates the deer's lips in such a way as to make it say, "Jayfarrar"... It wasn't exactly like it, but it was pretty good for a deer! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 pretty good for a deer! Seriously though. Do songwriting credits tell us anything other than that Jeff Tweedy is more willing to give credit where its due? Does anyone really think the Boquist brothers had nothing at all to do with Trace? Maybe the reason Jay can't match Trace is because he lost some *chief* songwriters? Maybe? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Orkie Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 The credits you posted undermine your own argument. If Tweedy wrote all the lyrics, and Bennett is listed as a co-writer for the music only, that does not make him a "chief" songwriter. That makes him a collaborator, but the songs are still Tweedy's, because he wrote the lyrics and probably at least half of the music. IT'S INCREDIBLY SIMPLE LOGIC, to quote you. You obviously don't understand the meaning of the word "chief." Allow me to assist (emphasis mine): From Dictionary.com: adjective-- highest in rank or authority.-- most important; principal. From American Heritage Dictionary: adj.-- Highest in rank, authority, or office.-- Most important or influential. From WordNet: adjective1. most important elementNow, if you still want to sit there and claim that you believe Bennett was a "chief" songwriter, even though he's responsible for exactly NONE of the lyrics and an indeterminate percentage (though probably less than 50%) of the music, you go right ahead. But you're wrong, wrong, wrong, couldn't be more wrong. Writing 50% of the music for Wilco's best two albums doesn't make Bennet a chief songwriter? lol. Put down the crack pipe, son. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Writing 50% of the music for Wilco's best two albums doesn't make Bennet a chief songwriter? lol. Put down the crack pipe, son.No, it doesn't. You obviously don't understand English. Go away now, you fucking troll. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Orkie Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 No, it doesn't. You obviously don't understand English. Go away now, you fucking troll. Being angry won't make you right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted March 16, 2007 Author Share Posted March 16, 2007 Being angry won't make you right.Neither will being aggressive and insulting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 My math shows Bennett as a 38.46% contributor on the music, and a negligible impact on lyrics. Explain to me again how he should be considered a chief songwriter. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheMaker Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 The New Math: it can explain anything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgriff Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 i'm liking about 3/4 of the album & meth is certainly one of farrar's best. but once i heard the song that begins with the horn section (can't remember the title at the moment), it sounds just like beulah. anyone with me on this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
candyfloss1214 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 We JUST got this yesterday and listened to it twice. Usually, it takes me a few more listens to that to really like a new CD, but I really liked this one after the second listen. I like "Adrenaline and Heresy". I think it's much more listenable than Okemah. Our tickets for the April 10th Vic show just came UPS this morning. Looking forward to it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kalle Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 I have to say this album has a pretty awful cover. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basil II Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 I may be flamed for this..........Jeff and Jay keep their interests ahead of any "hired " hands....i.e......Boquist boys or Jay Bennett _Robert. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SarahC Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 I have to say this album has a pretty awful cover.agreed. it doesn't fit with the album, imo. i loved the artwork for "okemah" sucks my shirt with it on it shrunk though... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Just for kicks, I now have Son Volt next to WILCO - until May that is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheMaker Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 I have to say this album has a pretty awful cover. Hey, at least it's a step up from Okemah. That's probably the single worst design I've ever seen, and I'm a dude who designs CD artwork. Baby's First Photoshop, anyone? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
c53x12 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 I just got The Search, and after one listen, I have to say I liked it a lot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DawgSong Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 I caught the show Friday in Atlanta.Great show and heavy on "The Search" which is fine with me as I am really liking the new album. During the encore they did The Stones "19th Nervous Breakdown", do theyplay this tune much? Anway looking forward to tonights SV show in Chattanooga. Opening bandis "The High Strung". The singer (assume songwriter) never did much for mebut his geetar playing is alright. The bass player and drummer simply rock.Great little trio, imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Calexico Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 I caught the show Friday in Atlanta.Great show and heavy on "The Search" which is fine with me as I am really liking the new album. During the encore they did The Stones "19th Nervous Breakdown", do theyplay this tune much? Seems to be a new addition, or a recent one at any case. They have been doing the Stones track Bitch and Pocahontas as well. Jay always picks great covers though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
c53x12 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I'm going to see Son Volt at the 9:30 club in D.C. tomorrow night -- anyone else going? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
c53x12 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 OK, so no takers from this board, but there were plenty of people at the 9:30 show -- the place seemed pretty packed. It was hard to move around. It was difficult to gauge how many folks were there specifically to see Son Volt, and how many were just out for the evening. Lots of times you can tell the fans at a show because they're singing along, but SV's lyrics are so inscrutable and oftentimes unintelligible that singing along isn't easy. I consider myself a fan, and I can sing along with only maybe 20% of most SV songs. (I'm not a big lyrics person anyway.) All that aside, the show was excellent. They concentrated heavily on material from The Search and Okemah. The only oldies I recall hearing were "Tear Stained Eye", "Windfall", and "Chickamauga". Just about everything was uptempo and rocked out, which made all the new material sound very exciting, but I didn't think it really did justice to "Highways and Cigarettes." They opened the show with "Satellite" from The Search, and closed with a cover of the Stones' "Bitch". They played two encores, about an hour and 45 minutes total. Overall I'd give the show a big thumbs up. The band rocked hard and sounded tight, the new songs sounded great, the crowd was enthusiastic, and Jay even smiled once or twice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 closed with a cover of the Stones' "Bitch" I am a big fan of Jay's choice in covers. The last time I saw them they encored with I'm Not Like Everybody Else by the Kinks. It was awesome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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