embiggen Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 Christafuh is forgetting the oat of Omert Link to post Share on other sites
c53x12 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Another fantastic episode. Looks like I was right about A.J.'s breakup with Blanca being the catalyst that sends him into "the life," although not without Tony's prodding. Weird how just last season, after A.J. tried lamely to off Uncle June, Tony and A.J. had that heartfelt scene outside the police station where Tony said words to the effect of "I never wanted this for you" and seemd intent on steering A.J. away from the life. Christopher is doomed. The feds will link him to J.T. Dolan. He is so ready to give it all up anyway -- he wanted to spill his guts to J.T. All it will take is the threat of a murder rap and Chris will give up Paulie and Tony in a heartbeat. That is if he doesn't shoot one of them first. I think this episode also probably had more boobies per minute than any I can recall. Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted May 14, 2007 Author Share Posted May 14, 2007 that's the flying ointment. Link to post Share on other sites
TheMaker Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 Do we do spoiler warnings in this thread? If so, earmuffs on... In true Sopranos fashion, they nailed the set up and then fumbled like nobody's business in the final stretch. I think we all knew Christopher's days were numbered, but this felt pretty hollow to me. Anyway, the hackneyed peyote-in-the-desert crap was misled at best (and terrible at worst), but I liked that T's culpability in Chris's death kept it from being a squandered opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 In true Sopranos fashion, they nailed the set up and then fumbled like nobody's business in the final stretch. I think we all knew Christopher's days were numbered, but this felt pretty hollow to me. Anyway, the hackneyed peyote-in-the-desert crap was misled at best (and terrible at worst), but I liked that T's culpability in Chris's death kept it from being a squandered opportunity.The mode of Christopher's demise was perfect, and I have a feeling that the significance of the peyote scene will extend through the last few shows. I thought this was a brilliant episode. Link to post Share on other sites
dixiecupdrinker Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 The mode of Christopher's demise was perfect, and I have a feeling that the significance of the peyote scene will extend through the last few shows. I thought this was a brilliant episode. I agree, it was a brilliant episode. I didn't think Christopher's demise was hollow. We sat in shock. I honestly didn't think they'd take Christopher out. One question, though... Did Tony yell, "I get it!" or "I did it!" in the desert? If he gets it, what does that mean exactly? anyway,dcd Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 I think he yelled "I did it!" Link to post Share on other sites
c53x12 Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 They've been setting up Christufuh for a spectacular demise for several seasons now, so to have him go in a car crash was kind of disappointing. OK, so Tony did the actual deed, but it sure didn't look like Chris was going to last very long on his own. Was that a tree branch poking through his chest? How much of that first 20 minutes was a dream? Just the scene in Melfi's office, or more? The whole drive home from the meeting with Phil felt very odd, right up to the crash. How vile is Tony. He's murdered one of his best friends (Pussy), his favorite cousin (Tony B.), and now his protege and almost-son (Chris). Then he runs off to Vegas to clear his head and ends up banging Chris' stripper friend (played by the amazing Sarah Shahi) and doing peyote in the desert because he can't stand being around all the grieving people. It seemed like Tony was ready to spill about Ade right there at the breakfast table with Carm. Part of him wants to spill to Melfi. Not sure what's going on with AJ right now. He's obviously in tight with his young crew now, but is still pretty emotionally unstable. Will he ascend to be the new boss? Or die a violent death? What's in store for Tony? I feel like he's now set up for a nasty end, but I felt the same about Chris, so... I feel let down every time an hour of this show ends because I want to keep going. The last episode is going to be tough to watch. Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 was Tony yelling I did it because he killed Chris, or the money he won ? looks like AJ isn't mob material. thought Chris would go down in a blaza of glory, not by the hands of Tony.Seems Tony might have to kill one more person, Phil, he's out for blood. great episode, 3 to go. It's building to something, but what ? Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted May 14, 2007 Author Share Posted May 14, 2007 I was not at all surprised that Tony smothered Christufuh in the end. Tony really is just a totally detestable human being. I think this is building up to something terrible happening to him. Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 seemed to me that Tony was itching to confess to a whole slew of stuff the whole episode. And he yelled "I Did It!" at the end as a confession. And yes, I agree. Something bad will happen to Tony. He is getting sloppy. Phil is waiting in the weeds. Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted May 14, 2007 Author Share Posted May 14, 2007 psychedelic drugs usually bring about some sort of catharsis. Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 The write-up on Salon.com this morning says he yelled "I get it." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Sopranos" wrap-up: Uncomfortably numb Tony dabbles in extreme denial, and "The Sopranos" descends into a surreal hell. By Heather Havrilesky May 14, 2007 | [spoiler ALERT: Contains serious spoilers. Do not read this if you still plan on watching Sunday night's episode of "The Sopranos."] And so it begins: Tony Soprano is going straight to hell, and taking everyone he knows with him. The tension has been building since we rejoined Tony at Janice and Bobby's lake house. Creator David Chase signaled in the first two hours that the principals in this epic story would not be going gentle into that good night, and the ominous tone reached a crescendo at the end of last week's stunning and lyrical episode, when Christopher suddenly fell off the wagon, proclaimed that his friends had abandoned him, and then shot his friend and business associate, J.T., in the head. It was as if the severe trauma of Adriana's murder had finally caught up to Christopher, and all of his moves to escape the truth -- falling into heavy drug use, getting married quickly and having a baby -- fell through at once. At the start of Sunday night's episode, the main event seemed to be Tony's growing tension with Phil Leotardo, the new head of the New York family. Tony and Christopher drive out to meet Phil, only for things to come to a sticking point immediately. Phil has no interest in compromise, and seems to be inviting conflict by drawing lines in the sand. When Tony and Christopher discuss it in the car, Christopher counsels Tony to exercise restraint. "Life's too short," Christopher tells him. Tony agrees. "Each day is a gift," he says, looking pleased to remember the brief period of gratitude he experienced after he recovered from being shot by Uncle Junior. "Every time I look at my kid, that's what I realize," Christopher responds. The two are finally enjoying their time together, but something about the pace of their conversation is frightening. Christopher's eyes are darting about, and he's spending long stretches looking at the stereo. Or are we just being paranoid? Tony seems to be thinking the same thing as he gazes at Christopher. "This 'Departed' soundtrack is fucking killer," Christopher says, and we hear Roger Waters and Van Morrison singing "Comfortably Numb." "The child is grown, the dream is gone," Van Morrison sings. Tony stares at Christopher. Is he proud of him, for expressing some wisdom? Is he relieved that Christopher's finally being easygoing and pleasant, a good son? Or is he wondering how the child he once held in his arms turned into this odd stranger? Tony asks him "So how was your party that day at the house?" The SUV drifts into the wrong lane. Christopher swerves to miss an oncoming car, and their vehicle plummets off the road, rolling several times. The music goes dead. The car is quiet. Soon we see that Tony is bruised but fine. Christopher looks much worse. He mumbles to Tony that he'll never pass a drug test, so they should make it look like Tony was driving. Tony, looking furious, gets out of the car, goes to Christopher's side to help pull him out. Christopher is spitting up blood. Tony starts to call 911, then stops, and covers Christopher's nose. Christopher gasps for air. Tony looks unmoved. Christopher dies. Suddenly, that electric mix of melancholy and self-destruction that we've experienced over the past few episodes has been tied into a tight, devastating knot. Whether he's ripping apart his office or just laying in his own bed, alone, the tension and the sadness and the gripping feeling of doom penetrates every second that Tony is onscreen. First we're shown, at Bobby and Janice's lake house, how it feels to grow old and irrelevant. Then Tony lashes out with rage and paranoia at Hesh, Carmela, Melfi, and we have a sense that Tony may not only become powerless, but he may do it without any of his most trusted intimates by his side. And now, Tony essentially murders a kid who's been more of a son to him than his own son, and then he tries to trick himself into thinking that he can live with it. What's unexpected and beautiful about this episode is that Chase and the writers didn't kill Christopher in the last minute of the show. They began the episode with his unexpected death, then forced us to watch, in horror, as Tony went from committing murder to living in a state of complete denial over what he'd done. We're being offered a glimpse of just how many layers of self-deceit it takes for the man to get up in the morning, given all of the brutal acts he's committed. Tony feels alienated not only from his own feelings, but from everyone around him as they mourn Christopher's death in earnest. "Truthfully? I've gotta sit with people who are hurt, bad," he tells Dr. Melfi. "And I've gotta have the long face and the sighing and the platitudes. But I don't feel it. And that makes me feel like a hypocrite. And that makes me mad at them." The episode takes an odd turn when, instead of taking his anger out on someone close to him, Tony flies to Vegas to get some peace. We see him eating dinner alone, sitting by a pool. Finally, he looks up a hooker who slept with Christopher, then tells her Christopher is dead. The two end up sleeping together (no surprise there) and then talking honestly. They smoke a joint, and suddenly it seems that Tony may be trying to crawl inside of Christopher's experiences. He asks the girl about the time she took peyote with Christopher, and then she and Tony take the drug together and hit the casinos, looking dazed. Instead of losing all of his money as you'd expect, Tony goes on a huge winning streak, then falls down on the floor, suddenly struck that Christopher is dead and gone and he can't even feel happy over his good fortune. Will Tony ever feel happy again? At the end of the episode, Tony and the girl are watching the sunrise on peyote. "I get it," he says, as if he suddenly understands where Christopher has been all those years. Half crying, he yells out loud, "I get it!" But it's too late. Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 I concur. It was clearly "I get it." Which I took to be the meaning of life through the cracked lens of Tony Soprano. Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 hmm, not sure what he said. anyone know if the final episode is 2 hours ? Link to post Share on other sites
WilcoFan Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 Did anybody notice that they were playing M.Ward's "Outta My Head" when Tony visited Chrissy's Vegas girlfriend? I thought this was a great episode. Link to post Share on other sites
WilcoFan Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 How many episodes are left? When is the last episode? Link to post Share on other sites
TimRoss Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 Official write up on HBO.com says... Meanwhile, Tony and Sonya have driven out to park overlooking a stunning desert canyon. Standing at the edge of the world Tony shouts out: "I get it!" Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 3 shows left, not sure, but I think they skip Memorial day weekend well, not sure what he gets Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 I love how the most important line of the episode is one that, apparently, half the viewing audience misheard. Link to post Share on other sites
Kalle Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 I heard "I get it" definately keeps setting things up for the final 3. Link to post Share on other sites
c53x12 Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 Meanwhile, Tony and Sonya have driven out to park overlooking a stunning desert canyon. Standing at the edge of the world Tony shouts out: "I get it!"This was definitely an episode to watch on HD -- this scene, and the scenes inside the casinos, were dazzling. Link to post Share on other sites
TimRoss Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 This was definitely an episode to watch on HD -- this scene, and the scenes inside the casinos, were dazzling. That last scene was beautiful. Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 poor Paulie, no respect. love when he waves his finger at Tony. Link to post Share on other sites
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