Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Call me a pessimist, but, even if he is elected, this whole Obama thing has the familiar scent of grave disappointment written all over it. I have that feeling gnawing at the back of my mind too. Jimmy Carter was a candidate who ran on a change agenda also...(c'mon...admit it. Even though Carter has had a wondrous post presidency, he was a disaster) Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 8 in a row for Obama taking the delegate lead. Things are going great. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Kinsley Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 I have that feeling gnawing at the back of my mind too. Jimmy Carter was a candidate who ran on a change agenda also...(c'mon...admit it. Even though Carter has had a wondrous post presidency, he was a disaster)Obama is definitely setting himself up for an all-or-nothing presidency. If he heeds the lessons of history and doesn't appoint the president of the Plains, GA Bank as Treasury Secretary, then he'll probably be OK. But there is a definite sense of impending let-down when he takes office and the world doesn't magically become fixed. The trick is working through that phase and working for steady improvement. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Does anyone really think that all of our problems are going to be fixed immediately? I'm just expecting significant strides in the right direction -- I know that it's a lot more complicated than just putting a new person in the chair at the Oval Office desk. However, I do feel that so long as he isn't a disaster, the fact that a black man can now become President of the United States will lead to positive change in itself. Over time the level of success that a black person could achieve in this country has gradually gotten higher and higher but never before has this been possible, and I think that that is important, even if he does not quite bring the overwhelming change that so many of us are hoping for. Sure, racism is still here and its still strong, but the fact that someone who is not a white man can be elected to the highest office in the land is at least now possible (although still very difficult) is huge. None of that has anything to do with why I'm supporting him, but I don't think it's at all insignficant regardless of whatever else would happen during an Obama presidency. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Obama is definitely setting himself up for an all-or-nothing presidency. If he heeds the lessons of history and doesn't appoint the president of the Plains, GA Bank as Treasury Secretary, then he'll probably be OK. But there is a definite sense of impending let-down when he takes office and the world doesn't magically become fixed. The trick is working through that phase and working for steady improvement. Unfortunately, that Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Over time the level of success that a black person could achieve in this country has gradually gotten higher and higher but never before has this been possible, and I think that that is important, even if he does not quite bring the overwhelming change that so many of us are hoping for. Sure, racism is still here and its still strong, but the fact that someone who is not a white man can be elected to the highest office in the land is at least now possible (although still very difficult) is huge.I agree with this. While I would love to see him win, the support he is getting in the primaries is already giving me a respect for the American people that I'm sorry I don't feel more often. I'm sorry to say that I believed a black man wouldn't have a chance, even in the primaries, and I couldn't be more pleased to see that I was wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Does anyone really think that all of our problems are going to be fixed immediately? I'm just expecting significant strides in the right direction -- I know that it's a lot more complicated than just putting a new person in the chair at the Oval Office desk. However, I do feel that so long as he isn't a disaster, the fact that a black man can now become President of the United States will lead to positive change in itself. Over time the level of success that a black person could achieve in this country has gradually gotten higher and higher but never before has this been possible, and I think that that is important, even if he does not quite bring the overwhelming change that so many of us are hoping for. Sure, racism is still here and its still strong, but the fact that someone who is not a white man can be elected to the highest office in the land is at least now possible (although still very difficult) is huge. None of that has anything to do with why I'm supporting him, but I don't think it's at all insignficant regardless of whatever else would happen during an Obama presidency. I agree. People with these far off unreasonable far off expectation will be disappointed, just having those expectations is their problem. Obama will bring change more than any canidate, but cmon be reasonable. He wont magically fix all our problems, but he is the type of person we need right now. Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 The whole "Yes We Can" thing is such bullshit. I get really tired of Obama supporters sometimes...I think he's just hinting at his likely running-mate: Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 The best thing about Obama is how the world will react if we elect him after President Bush. We should be able to get a bit of a clean slate for awhile Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Kinsley Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Does anyone really think that all of our problems are going to be fixed immediately?What I was trying (very ineloquently) to say is that with all the slogans, chants, songs, grown men crying like little schoolgirls at political rallies, etc., that a lot of people are looking at an Obama win in November as Mission Accomplished. It isn't. That's when the really heavy lifting begins, and as THDW said, we do sort of suck at the follow through. My hope is that so many people are personally invested in this campaign that the good vibes will carry over into action in the years to come. Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 What I was trying (very ineloquently) to say is that with all the slogans, chants, songs, grown men crying like little schoolgirls at political rallies, etc., that a lot of people are looking at an Obama win in November as Mission Accomplished. It isn't. That's when the really heavy lifting begins, and as THDW said, we do sort of suck at the follow through. My hope is that so many people are personally invested in this campaign that the good vibes will carry over into action in the years to come. right on. you want to talk about scrutiny...should The Rock take office, he and those of us who clamored to get him into the white house better produce. it's been really easy the past 8 years to pick apart the 'other side', as the administration has done a horrible job no matter how you slice it...(hopefully) the shoe will be on the other foot and in much bigger way. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 What I was trying (very ineloquently) to say is that with all the slogans, chants, songs, grown men crying like little schoolgirls at political rallies, etc., that a lot of people are looking at an Obama win in November as Mission Accomplished. It isn't. That's when the really heavy lifting begins, and as THDW said, we do sort of suck at the follow through. My hope is that so many people are personally invested in this campaign that the good vibes will carry over into action in the years to come. I can get on board with that. Link to post Share on other sites
Beltmann Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 It reads like a bit of genius from The Onion, but it's not: Barack Obama: Running for Antichrist? As for me, I always wondered whether GWB might be the Antichrist. Or maybe James Carville, but that's mostly because of his beady eyes. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Call me a pessimist, but, even if he is elected, this whole Obama thing has the familiar scent of grave disappointment written all over it.I'm feeling you here, TDW. Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Barack Obama: Running for Antichrist?Wow. That website is mesmerizing in its absurdity.(makes for a disturbingly funny read, though) The greatest evil in this world is willful stupidity. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Wow. That website is mesmerizing in its absurdity.(makes for a disturbingly funny read, though) The greatest evil in this world is willful stupidity.The comments, man, the comments. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Kinsley Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 The comments, man, the comments.#17 and the links within it. Whoa. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 I once stood next to Barack Obama and I did not feel a chill, I did not see an aura of evil, but I did think "man that dude is skinny." Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Kinsley Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Oh. My. God. I just read through all the comments (I skimmed large portions) and I've never been more terrified in my life. How many people are that stupid, racist, and just plain paranoid? I guess I'm just naive. I didn't think people really felt that way anymore. I realize it's still a pretty small chunk of even the church-going population, but man... one is too many. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Barack Obama: Running for Antichrist? That. Was. Awesome! Now, these are the folks I have in mind when I bag on religion, and there's lots of them. Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Now, these are the folks I have in mind when I bag on religion, and there's lots of them. but still nowhere near the amount that are nothing like that. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 but still nowhere near the amount that are nothing like that. True enough, but that still leaves millions of them that think along similar lines, and some of them, hold rather high positions in government. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 That. Was. Awesome! Now, these are the folks I have in mind when I bag on religion, and there's lots of them. Why don't you just like, rag on the idiots instead of the entire institution, then? Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Why don't you just like, rag on the idiots instead of the entire institution, then? Because, much of what these folks are saying and the views they express is the result of taking the bible, Christianity literally - at its word. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Incorrect, but it's really not worth discussing again. Link to post Share on other sites
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