Sunken mountain Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Good posts,quarter23 ,you express exactly all my feelings about this illness.And "Radio cure"!...my God Good luck for all of us,("Tweedy and the sufferers") and our families (Hi Sue!) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 I guess we have to disagree then as I see that this article in no way shape or form follows an interview/transcription format and is written, to my eyes only apparently, in the first person throughout its entirety. No obvious questions, no obvious answers all first person musings, as well as when you click the Jeff Tweedy Link on the original it lists Jeff Tweedy as the author. The byline alone should have been clue enough, but apparently I'll have to watch bylines more carefully from now on as it seems that in today's world the interviewee gets the byline. All of my simple observations are apparently wrong, I guess I grasped thhe obvious and it was obvious to me alone. Other than that it iis not really a point worth belaboring anymore. I learned something new today.You could probably try to take it more personally that I disagree with you. Anyway, interesting information straight from the source, one way or another. Glad Jeff is feeling better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted March 7, 2008 Author Share Posted March 7, 2008 You could probably try to take it more personally that I disagree with you. I really don't take it personally. I find it rather funny actually. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radiokills Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 do you really not like Jeff's writing style or is it simply because he's in a jam band? really? im sorry, are you hurt on the inside? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 i was expecting a much more articulate and flowing comeback than that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radiokills Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 seriously, are you that offended by my trite, essentially meaningless remarks? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 seriously, are you that offended by my trite, essentially meaningless remarks? maybe annoyed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 I was just trying to be funny. But you're just as wrong as John Smith is in all this, so I guess I could try to dumb it down a little bit if you would prefer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
laurie Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Good posts,quarter23 ,you express exactly all my feelings about this illness.And "Radio cure"!...my God Good luck for all of us,("Tweedy and the sufferers") and our families (Hi Sue!) Agree! How important is having a strong family and friend support? I don't know but seems he is blessed with his wife and others who love him. I feel lucky too, as I have also... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radiokills Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 maybe annoyed? annoyance shouldn't provoke vicious HATE-POSTS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
H.Stone Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Teacheringstone, have I mentioned how much I adore you? His comment about being lucky that he didn't have to cut anyone out of his life was an eye-opener for me--I had never considered that part of the struggle with addiction. I can't even imagine how much better things are for him and his family now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Wow, reading about everyone's stories is insane. I've never had panic attacks or the ilk before...I don't even think I've had a migraine once (I would hazard to say I have had one, but I don't ever remember having one). It makes me grateful, partially, but it makes me wonder how different I'd be if it happened to me. Of course, I feel like I'm in good company with people who are strong enough to be coping with such things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poppydawn Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 His comment about being lucky that he didn't have to cut anyone out of his life was an eye-opener for me--I had never considered that part of the struggle with addiction. I can't even imagine how much better things are for him and his family now. I read something recently where he talked about how his mood disorders and addiction affected his parenting. So sad, but great that he got help while his kids were still young. My daughter was a huge motivator for me to get help. While I haven't dealt with addiction, I've had to cut people out of my life because of the anxiety and panic. People who are mentally unhealthy tend to attract other mentally unhealthy people. As I started healing, I could see that some of the people in my life weren't supportive, or made it far too easy for me to backslide into my old ways. I hated to do it, but I had to end quite a few friendships. The upswing is, the friends I have now are healthy, supportive, loving and they don't suck every single drop of emotional energy out of me. It's given me a low tolerance for suffering fools, which is a sweet bonus. A lot of my anxiety stemmed from people-pleasing tendencies. Now that I don't care who I piss off, I'm much happier and healthier. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 I read something recently where he talked about how his mood disorders and addiction affected his parenting. So sad, but great that he got help while his kids were still young. My daughter was a huge motivator for me to get help. While I haven't dealt with addiction, I've had to cut people out of my life because of the anxiety and panic. People who are mentally unhealthy tend to attract other mentally unhealthy people. As I started healing, I could see that some of the people in my life weren't supportive, or made it far too easy for me to backslide into my old ways. I hated to do it, but I had to end quite a few friendships. The upswing is, the friends I have now are healthy, supportive, loving and they don't suck every single drop of emotional energy out of me. It's given me a low tolerance for suffering fools, which is a sweet bonus. A lot of my anxiety stemmed from people-pleasing tendencies. Now that I don't care who I piss off, I'm much happier and healthier. Not to be overly dramatic and not to project anything that may or may not exist...but Jay's dismissal takes a new perspective when considering this... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
W(TF) Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Not to be overly dramatic and not to project anything that may or may not exist...but Jay's dismissal takes a new perspective when considering this... Dismissal? I thought Jay left during a creative rift over production work on YHF tracks. I suppose his versions were "dismissed" by Jeff, in favor of Jim O'Rourke's, but he wasn't 'fired'. In fact I think he notified Jeff/the band and the media via some kind of memorandum, which pissed Tweedy off royally. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poppydawn Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Not to be overly dramatic and not to project anything that may or may not exist...but Jay's dismissal takes a new perspective when considering this... That thought occurred to me when I was writing that last post, actually. Remember the scene in "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart" where Jeff and Jay are arguing over the transition from "Ashes of American Flags" and "Heavy Metal Drummer"? I know that living those scenarios day in and day out would leave me pretty fucked up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Dismissal? I thought Jay left during a creative rift over production work on YHF tracks. I suppose his versions were "dismissed" by Jeff, in favor of Jim O'Rourke's, but he wasn't 'fired'. In fact I think he notified Jeff/the band and the media via some kind of memorandum, which pissed Tweedy off royally.Jay said himself, in the IATTBYH doc, that Jeff told him that he "didn't think [he] could make music with [Jay] anymore." Jay was definitely asked to leave. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted March 8, 2008 Author Share Posted March 8, 2008 i was expecting a much more articulate and flowing comeback than that. I find it funny because in this thread the accolades for JT flow freely until someone points out that they feel it is poorly written. Then it turns to well...maybe he didn't write it. Typical over the top fan reaction. If it's not perfect our hero didn't do it. Sorry but he, like all of us, is entirely fallable. But like I said earlier when an article has a byline, I guess if the byline is simply a guide line and does not mean it was written by that person at all. Of course there is a catch-22 involved here. Lets say JT did write the article, but and editor cleaned it up a bit, which they do for almost everything printed in their publications, then that little bit of editing supports you theory that the editor wrote it. This is spite of the 100% first person conversational manner in which it was written. Anyhow, the topic has become rather pointless now as the notion of who wrote the article is now overshadowing the content, which I said was the most important issue anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 I find it funny because in this thread the accolades for JT flow freely until someone points out that they feel it is poorly written. Then it turns to well...maybe he didn't write it. Typical over the top fan reaction. If it's not perfect our hero didn't do it. Sorry but he, like all of us, is entirely fallable. But like I said earlier when an article has a byline, I guess if the byline is simply a guide line and does not mean it was written by that person at all. Of course there is a catch-22 involved here. Lets say JT did write the article, but and editor cleaned it up a bit, which they do for almost everything printed in their publications, then that little bit of editing supports you theory that the editor wrote it. This is spite of the 100% first person conversational manner in which it was written. Anyhow, the topic has become rather pointless now as the notion of who wrote the article is now overshadowing the content, which I said was the most important issue anyway.As I said before, I'm far from a Tweedy worshipper. If you want to paint me as one, that's your prerogative, but you're wrong. As far as your continued claim that this was a written piece by Jeff Tweedy, I continue to disagree. If the main part of the article was not a distillation of the conversation referenced immediately prior, why mention the conversation at all? Everything about the way the article reads (tone, style, language) suggests to me that it is transcription of spoken words. As for giving Tweedy the byline - as you say yourself, every word betyond the first two expository paragraphs (and the final wrap up) is Jeff's, so who else is going to be named? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
laurie Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 As I said before, I'm far from a Tweedy worshipper. If you want to paint me as one, that's your prerogative, but you're wrong. As far as your continued claim that this was a written piece by Jeff Tweedy, I continue to disagree. If the main part of the article was not a distillation of the conversation referenced immediately prior, why mention the conversation at all? Everything about the way the article reads (tone, style, language) suggests to me that it is transcription of spoken words. As for giving Tweedy the byline - as you say yourself, every word betyond the first two expository paragraphs (and the final wrap up) is Jeff's, so who else is going to be named? I agree -well said! It sounds like his recorded words - what else would you do? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 His comment about being lucky that he didn't have to cut anyone out of his life was an eye-opener for me--I had never considered that part of the struggle with addiction. I can't even imagine how much better things are for him and his family now.Yes. Not having a 'co-conspirator' to enable you has to be a bonus in overcoming the struggle. Can you imagine how hard it must be to not only overcome a problem that will undoubtedy be very painful, but to also do get rid of some of the closest, most loved people in your life at the same time? That's precisely why so many never make it imo...too damn hard to do it all at once. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamin' Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 I'm now almost finished Gabor Mate's book, In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts, and highly recommend it. I've always loved the idea of "Christ" coming back as an addict in The Ruling Class because I really do believe that the path to redemption requires us to let go of moralizing in order to show love and compassion for those who suffer most... "find him if you wanna get found." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
disco-aussie-wilco Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 takes a lot to write an article like that. total transparency in a situation where many would hide behind anythig they could good on ya jeff thanks for posting as well! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bhickman Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 As someone who has dealt with some crippling, oftentimes life-threatening panic attacks and depression, it is greatly rewarding to read this full account of Jeff's personal story on his own issues and dilemmas. I'm glad to finally hear all of the details as well, as he has never said quite as much publicly about his ordeals in one place as he does here. Sure, you could cobble together the pieces from various interviews, concert appearances and in the documentary, but this is great one-stop shopping. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 As someone who has dealt with some crippling, oftentimes life-threatening panic attacks and depression, it is greatly rewarding to read this full account of Jeff's personal story on his own issues and dilemmas.same here. i haven't counted, but is there an unusually high number of wilco fans who have dealt with panic, depression, or both? i mean, more (percentage-wise) than in the general population? i get that feeling, and even though it went unspoken for so long, whenever i read/hear jeff talking about this i wonder if it is a silent part of why some of us are so drawn to him and his turn of mind. some of his songs really take me to straight to melancholy, but they're so gorgeous, and familiar in a way, that i can't not listen to them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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