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If you vote for him, I will tell you some unknown by the public at large Stonewall Jackson stories.

 

Aww man.. I don't think I'm going to vote for him. I think I'm going to write in Bill Cosby. Will you still tell me the stories?

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My wife has zero patience for politics. She avoids the topic as much as she can (although I give her credit for having an astonishingly good BS-detector without having to spend hours on end obsessing about it, like we've all been doing around here lately). But I guess since I'm usually pretty level-headed, she hates election season because it never fails to push every last button I have. :hmm

that sounds familiar in many ways, and i'm with ya. my husband has to deal with politics in his peace work, of course, but he thinks about it all on a more cosmic, the-whole-system-needs-a-major-overhaul level -- which i absolutely agree with and admire, but it doesn't stop me from paying attention to the ever-changing details every day or week, and allowing my buttons to be pushed, sometimes by nasty machiavellians. say, maybe we could start a movement promoting agnosticism in one's political outlook, with detachment a requirement! think it would work? :coffeecup

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i understand that these are imporant issues to folks and i'm not asking anybody to ignore them, just for equal (if not higher priority) w/ things we can actually hang some sort of hat on.

i think the thing is is that the voters who pay attention to "the issues" have long since made up their mind about who they are going to vote for. there's no point in campaigning for these voters. they're set. it's at these "swing" voters, who seemingly are not swayed by the issues and who seem to change their mind every other week, where the personality contest is aimed because it's them who will decide the election.

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you don't get it do you? yes, everything IS a mess...but why the hell don't we talk about who is more armed to address these issues and why? on that tip, it ain't me...like you said in an earlier post, i'm not running for president. your statement on your pet issues being 'easier to understand' is insane. why? because it's one more rooted in personal philosophy/belief systems than fact.

 

more to my point, my statement is not one of discuss or don't discuss, but, rather, time/place/context. is this election (which is the actual subject of this thread BTW) really about the actual definition of what constitutes a 'life' or not? is that really the most releavant thing in this election (which is the actual subject of this thread BTW) to debate? is this election (which is the actual subject of this thread BTW) really about the existence of god? is that really the most releavant thing in this election (which is the actual subject of this thread BTW) to debate?

 

What, exactly, would a productive discussion on a band

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Just a thought:

 


  • You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.
  • You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.
  • You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.
  • You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.
  • You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.

BUT....

 

Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol. [/size][/font]

doesn't your post assume (wrongly) that obama had absolutely no political or other relevant experience before his "143" days in the u.s. senate?

 

you're right, no one's voting for the next american idol. A+ for that one.

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Just a thought:

 


  • You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.
  • You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.
  • You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.
  • You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.
  • You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.

BUT....

 


  • 'From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate.
  • That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.
  • After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan. 143 days?

We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, but after 143 days, that's all it is - a start.

 

 

AND, strangely, a large sector of the American public seems to feel comfortable with this and campaigning for him.

 

 

We wouldn't accept this in our own line of work, yet some are OK with this for the President of the United States of America ?

 

 

Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol.

 

Or you could frame it as voting for the guy whose hands are not as stained by Washington as the guy who has been there thirty years and has been a huge part of the problem? I'll take the fresh blood.

 

Your post is pure cmapaign rhetoric avoiding the issues and simply playing the same game. Care to flip that and tell me what high level jobs you qualify for with just two years experience? Or what high level jobs you qualify for after a 30 mainly pedestrian career?

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Do any women here feel insulted by McCain's pick for VP? I'm not a woman, but if I were I think I would feel insulted in a way.

yes.

 

actually, no. i would feel insulted if, knowing where mccain is coming from, i thought he was trying to reel me in with his sparkly, tokenism pick. but he's not trying to reel in the kind of person i am. he is trying to reel in undecideds, both independents and right-wingers, who weren't happy with him as he was, plus a few disappointed HRC voters. i still believe it was a cynical move, as i said when it first happened so short a time ago, but i don't take it personally.

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Just a thought:

 


  • You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.
  • You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.
  • You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.
  • You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.
  • You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.

BUT....

 


  • 'From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate.
  • That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.
  • After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan. 143 days?

We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, but after 143 days, that's all it is - a start.

 

you do realize Abraham Lincon and Obama's political experience prior to the Presidency was virtually identical yes?

 

both had 8 years in the IL State Legislature and were a one term Senator from IL

 

i love that "experience" is all the sudden the big issue this year. why weren't you folks crying foul regarding GW's similar "lack of experience" in 2000? you could have avoided a lot of bad shit had you considered that then...

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What about Paul Mooney?

 

That "Ask A Black Dude" stuff was funny.

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you do realize Abraham Lincon and Obama's political experience prior to the Presidency was virtually identical yes?

 

both had 8 years in the IL State Legislature and were a one term Senator from IL

 

i love that "experience" is all the sudden the big issue this year. why weren't you folks crying foul regarding GW's similar "lack of experience" in 2000? you could have avoided a lot of bad shit had you considered that then...

Yeah. Lincoln proves that judgment is more important than experience, by far.

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you do realize Abraham Lincon and Obama's political experience prior to the Presidency was virtually identical yes?

 

both had 8 years in the IL State Legislature and were a one term Senator from IL

 

i love that "experience" is all the sudden the big issue this year. why weren't you folks crying foul regarding GW's similar "lack of experience" in 2000? you could have avoided a lot of bad shit had you considered that then...

 

 

Wasn't Lincoln a Representative?

 

And I would argue that a six-year governor, even of a state that lacks a powerful governor, qualifies as having experience.

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How many people do you need in order to be officially recognized as a movement?

google offered no people numbers, just the infinitely various types of movements both past and possibly future. in reading, i figured at least half of the movements known to humanity throughout history had to have started with a very few individuals and grown from there. two would be too small, in my opinion, so i vote for three: two to agree on everything, and a third to play devil's advocate (1) to sharpen the skills and level of thinking of the two, and/or (2) to throw gratuitous spears into the middle of any agreements to gain a false sense of power.

 

we've got a couple of powerful philosophies and personal qualities to make a good beginning, though. a third down the line could fill out an application and we'll see what we think. :peace

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To combine with the "Scary Things" thread, since it has long been rumored that Lincoln's ghost still haunts the White House, an argument could be made as to whether we really need anyone new in there at all. Think about the history we'd be making--the first non-corporeal president!!! :usa

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DAMN! Hitchens has got the flow. :worship

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