8th election thread

[Gobias Industries]

Wasn't Lincoln a Representative?

 

Yes. He was a Representative. Only for one term. Didn't run for re-election because he called bullshit on Polk's war and paid the price in votes because of it.

[bobbob1313]

Why are religious experience and a open-mindedness and a respect of inquiry mutually exclusive in his eyes? Can't someone believe in god and still have an open mind about it? I think many people here have proven they can.

 

Hitchens seems very closeminded to me.

[bjorn_skurj]

Why are religious experience and a open-mindedness and a respect of inquiry mutually exclusive in his eyes? Can't someone believe in god and still have an open mind about it? I think many people here have proven they can.

 

Hitchens seems very closeminded to me.

Not having read the book but heard him talk about it, I think he sees religion as supremely hypocritical (thus invalid) and a fearsome tool evil people use to manipulate the faithful. I think he sees it as a giant rip-off, both in a material and intellectual sense. And since the misuse of religion is really a clear and present danger to all of us on the planet, he thinks it's too important to take a live-and-let-live approach. I think.

[Good Old Neon]

and, yet, you at least seemingly, continue to try.

 

Question - would all of those who would (seriously) entertain switching religious beliefs or the definition of life based on a fellow board member

[bobbob1313]

Not having read the book but heard him talk about it, I think he sees religion as supremely hypocritical (thus invalid) and a fearsome tool evil people use to manipulate the faithful. I think he sees it as a giant rip-off, both in a material and intellectual sense. And since the misuse of religion is really a clear and present danger to all of us on the planet, he thinks it's too important to take a live-and-let-live approach. I think.

 

And I'm never going to be able to take someone who is so close minded seriously when they criticize religion for close mindedness.

[Winston Legthigh]

Question - would all of those who would (seriously) entertain switching religious beliefs or the definition of life based on a fellow board member

[Good Old Neon]

Not having read the book but heard him talk about it, I think he sees religion as supremely hypocritical (thus invalid) and a fearsome tool evil people use to manipulate the faithful. I think he sees it as a giant rip-off, both in a material and intellectual sense. And since the misuse of religion is really a clear and present danger to all of us on the planet, he thinks it's too important to take a live-and-let-live approach. I think.

 

I think you

[bjorn_skurj]

I would imagine Hitchens has given it a great deal of thought, come to his conclusions and wrote a best-selling book about them. The "great deal of thought" part raises it above simple close-mindedness. Maybe if Jesus strikes him blind on the road to Damascus, he will reconsider his conclusions.

[sweetheart-mine]

To combine with the "Scary Things" thread, since it has long been rumored that Lincoln's ghost still haunts the White House, an argument could be made as to whether we really need anyone new in there at all. Think about the history we'd be making--the first non-corporeal president!!!

now THIS is a real day-brightener. of course, mccain could fill this role while still alive, but don't anyone ask me to "prove" it. it's an opinion, and a joke by half. and i'd take lincoln's ghost any day of the week! I wonder if we can write him in. the ghost, i mean.

[Good Old Neon]

And I'm never going to be able to take someone who is so close minded seriously when they criticize religion for close mindedness.

 

He

[solace]

Wasn't Lincoln a Representative?

 

And I would argue that a six-year governor, even of a state that lacks a powerful governor, qualifies as having experience.

 

House of Represenatives + Senate = Congress = Legislature

 

therefore being a member of state legislature = a senator or representative

 

 

as for GW's stint as governor... that's fine, but would he have gotten there without his daddy being the former President of the US? i'm gonna have to say no on that one...

[quarter23cd]

and i'd take lincoln's ghost any day of the week! I wonder if we can write him in. the ghost, i mean.

Make your vote a historic vote.

Lincoln's Ghost '08

 

 

I'm Lincoln's Ghost and I approved this message.

[bobbob1313]

He

[sweetheart-mine]

Make your vote a historic vote.

Lincoln's Ghost '08

oh damn. now i wish my bumper stickers weren't already on their way.

[MrRain422]

I'd say that Richard Dawkins is the real intellectual leader of that movement. Hitchens is sometimes funny but not often very insightful.

[sweetheart-mine]

"QUOTE

I'm Lincoln's Ghost and I approved this message."

 

missed that part, plus the magnificent pic.

[bobbob1313]

I'm thinking of writing in "Dead George Carlin" but "Lincoln's Ghost" might be a dark horse.

[Sir Stewart]

Carlin/Zappa '08

[sweetheart-mine]

I'm thinking of writing in "Dead George Carlin" but "Lincoln's Ghost" might be a dark horse.

you might be right. so far these dead choices are winners.

[EL the Famous]

If you

[quarter23cd]

I'm thinking of writing in "Dead George Carlin" but "Lincoln's Ghost" might be a dark horse.

Team 'em up and that ticket is pretty intriguing.

 

FWIW, I've always been curious about write-ins and wonder how many votes God and Santa Claus have gotten over the years.

[EL the Famous]

what value have your own posts served towards increasing and/or uplifting the quality of this thread/debate?

 

obviously, via that post...none. fair point.

[lamradio]

A ghost president would be the only thing that could scare the terrorists away.

[fatheadfred]

A ghost president would be the only thing that could scare the terrorists away.

 

Speaking of terrorists, did Homeland Security finally decide the terror alert was bogus? The Repubs lost a powerful campaign tool. In 04 they would move it up and down depending on the polls, debates, and shtuff.

[quarter23cd]

Speaking of terrorists, did Homeland Security finally decide the terror alert was bogus? The Repubs lost a powerful campaign tool. In 04 they would move it up and down depending on the polls, debates, and shtuff.

There is still a poster at the entry to my workplace that has the "terror scale" on it and a marker that supposedly shows the current level. No idea if it has been updated recently.