8th election thread

[bobbob1313]

And I agree with what Beltmann said a few pages back about Obama being off message hurting him the last few weeks. He stayed above the shit in the primaries, and people loved it. He's sinking into it now.

[Party @ the Moontower]

I hope someone is watching Barrack on Letterman right now.

 

 

damn, the kid has a movie in cause she can't sleep. Is it good?????

[fatheadfred]

Yeah, that's an appropriate response to someone when they haven't attacked you. Cool. I'm not calling you a racist, stop being so fucking reactionary to everything I post and actually read it. Fuck. And thanks to that, this thread is probably going to be closed. Who wants dibs on the new one?

 

I never said Barrack is using race as a campaign tool. McCain isn't either, though the fact that he's a republican means that to some people, it's built in. Whatever.

 

All I'm saying is there are plenty of racists out there who are voting for Barrack because he's black. And they're a lot more vocal about it from what I've seen than the other side, though they might not have as many numbers. They are there, whether you choose to ignore it or not.

 

One 'r' in Barack.

[embiggen]

damn, the kid has a movie in cause she can't sleep. Is it good?????

 

yes

[bobbob1313]

One 'r' in Barack.

 

'form over substance'

[Party @ the Moontower]

How's this for substance?

[bobbob1313]

Not very good. Barrrrrack would be disappointed.

[Party @ the Moontower]

Not very good. Barrrrrack would be disappointed.

 

 

Obama hates you bobbob.

[bobbob1313]

Obama hates you bobbob.

 

Obama doesn't care about half Puerto Ricans.

[Party @ the Moontower]

Obama doesn't care about half Puerto Ricans.

 

Crying racism are we? Give me a flippin greasey stinky butt crack break. On that note, and your brilliant mind stink, I'm out of here. Play with someone else.

[bobbob1313]

Crying racism are we? Give me a flippin greasey stinky butt crack break. On that note, and your brilliant mind stink, I'm out of here. Play with someone else.

 

Wait, what? Are you high right now? Seriously? Seriously.

 

Like, seriously. What the fuck have you been talking about for the last page? Seriously. Seriously. Are you high? Seriously.

[Party @ the Moontower]

It's almost tomorrow, Sept 11, my heart goes out to the families that lost loved ones on 9-11.

[bjorn_skurj]

she played the stinky dildo card on you.

Heh.

[mountain bed]

I think I'd rather have a beer with Barack. So there's that.

 

And...things are bound to get more and more ugly - it's just a sad fact of American politics - BUT...folks, let's try to remember, there's more that unites us than divides us. And, at the end of the day, we're all Americans - so there's really no reason not to be cool with each other. 95% of us are here because we love Wilco.

 

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[bjorn_skurj]

It's almost tomorrow, Sept 11, my heart goes out to the families that lost loved ones on 9-11.

Mine too.

[Party @ the Moontower]

I think I'd rather have a beer with Barack. So there's that.

 

And...things are bound to get more and more ugly - it's just a sad fact of American politics - BUT...folks, let's try to remember, there's more that unites us than divides us. And, at the end of the day, we're all Americans - so there's really no reason not to be cool with each other. 95% of us are here because we love Wilco.

 

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I secretly love bobbob and he knows it.

[bobbob1313]

Can I change my username to stinky dildo?

[Party @ the Moontower]

Can I change my username to stinky dildo?

 

 

By all means. I once gave you a new picture, what happened to that?

[tugmoose]

Here's one that's really gonna help. Even if you argue that the Palin family is fair game (I don't), this displays a very flippant attitude toward abortion. Apparently abortion is no big deal to democrats. And then she give one of those apologies "to anyone who found my remarks offensive," not "I'm sorry for my offensive remark that was way out of line."

 

Wonder why Dems keep losing these things?

 

 

SC Dem chief says sorry for Palin-abortion comment

2 hours, 35 minutes ago

 

COLUMBIA, S.C. - South Carolina's Democratic Party chairwoman said Wednesday that Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin's top qualification seems to be not having had an abortion. She later apologized.

 

In an interview posted on the political Web site Politico, Chairwoman Carol Fowler said Republican John McCain picked a running mate "whose primary qualification seems to be that she hasn't had an abortion."

 

Fowler later apologized, saying she made the statement during an interview about single-issue voters.

 

"I personally admire and respect the difficult choices that women make everyday, and I apologize to anyone who finds my comment offensive," Fowler said in a statement.

 

"I clumsily was making a point about people in South Carolina who may vote based on a single issue. Whether it's the environment, the economy, the war or a woman's right to choose, there are people who will cast their vote based on a single issue," she continued. "That was the only point I was attempting to make."

 

Palin opposes abortion, including in cases of rape or incest, and has lived out her convictions by bearing son Trig in April, knowing he had Down syndrome.

 

A top McCain surrogate, South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, said it was an outrage to dismiss Palin's record and life with that kind of remark.

 

"I think it has more to do with the fact our Democratic colleagues and opponents are in a meltdown mode over Gov. Palin," Graham said. He said there would be a "firestorm of monumental proportion" if a Republican had said the same thing about a female Democrat running for vice president, and called on Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama to repudiate Fowler's remark.

 

"If he doesn't speak to this and condemn this statement, it will speak volumes about where we're at on the Democratic side," Graham said.

 

Obama spokesman Nick Shapiro said Fowler was not speaking for the campaign, "just as John McCain has said state parties don't speak for him."

 

"But obviously this does not reflect our view," Shapiro said.

 

A fellow Democrat, Rep. John Spratt of South Carolina, also distanced himself from Fowler's comment.

 

"Her statement about Gov. Palin is outrageous and wrong, because Sarah Palin's qualifications are quite evident," the House Budget Committee chairman said in a statement. "She is the mother of five children who has been elected mayor of her town and governor of her state, and she has shown herself to be an effective public speaker and an energetic campaigner. Sen. Obama has said that 'families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits.' I could not agree more."

[sweetheart-mine]

this displays a very flippant attitude toward abortion. Apparently abortion

is no big deal to this democrat.

 

as they say around here, fixed it for ya. it was crying out for a fix. actually your whole assertion makes a big and probably wrong assumption, but i'm really really sick of the topic.

[Central Scrutinizer]

Yeah? I know plenty of black people who are at the least, moderately racist, who are voting for Barack.

 

Racism is a reality, and it comes from every side, but it's always more convenient for liberals to paint it with a white, conservative face.

You are absolutely right. I think I mentioned in one of the previously closed threads that on NPR throughout the primary they frequently covered people who were voting for Obama just because he was a black candidate ("it was their time") and Clinton because she's a woman candidate ("it was their time").

 

Racism has a lot of faces (it's also a defense mechanism) so to be hypocritical about it in reverse is like afirmitive action on its ear.

 

I think where we started down this slippery slope was in the push for political correctness. Attempting to change language doesn't change thoughts and beliefs; it just causes people to be more creative in stating beliefs or biases in a public setting. In the process it has made opponents hyper alert to ever phrase, every inflection. What was that awful Warren Beatty film, Bulworth? Essentially saying it like it is as product in an political race? We don't need that, but we need someone to speak to transcending it -- "not the color of our skin but the content of our character." One candidate, afterall, is speaking from the "straight talk express." And yet I've seen 3 different commercials of his in the last three days and they are a twisted pack of lies.

 

That said, the one accusation I'll never get is: Barack attacking Palin's lack of experience = sexism. By the same logic, the Republicans attacking Obama for lack of experience is racist.

[Tweedling]

I think I'd rather have a beer with Barack. So there's that.

 

And...things are bound to get more and more ugly - it's just a sad fact of American politics - BUT...folks, let's try to remember, there's more that unites us than divides us. And, at the end of the day, we're all Americans - so there's really no reason not to be cool with each other. 95% of us are here because we love Wilco.

 

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Awesome! Cool heads prevail.

I even told my wife the other night that I would be 100% behind Obama if he wins. I mean really, if the american people vote and he wins thats good enough for me. (she didn't believe me but it's true)

[watch me fall]

Unfortunately, SC's Democratic Party officials have said plenty of stupid things over the past few years. Nothing surprises me anymore.

[sweetheart-mine]

You are absolutely right. I think I mentioned in one of the previously closed threads that on NPR throughout the primary they frequently covered people who were voting for Obama just because he was a black candidate ("it was their time") and Clinton because she's a woman candidate ("it was their time").

 

Racism has a lot of faces (it's also a defense mechanism) so to be hypocritical about it in reverse is like afirmitive action on its ear.

 

I think where we started down this slippery slope was in the push for political correctness. Attempting to change language doesn't change thoughts and beliefs; it just causes people to be more creative in stating beliefs or biases in a public setting. In the process it has made opponents hyper alert to ever phrase, every inflection. What was that awful Warren Beatty film, Bulworth? Essentially saying it like it is as product in an political race? We don't need that, but we need someone to speak to transcending it -- "not the color of our skin but the content of our character." One candidate, afterall, is speaking from the "straight talk express." And yet I've seen 3 different commercials of his in the last three days and they are a twisted pack of lies.

 

That said, the one accusation I'll never get is: Barack attacking Palin's lack of experience = sexism. By the same logic, the Republicans attacking Obama for lack of experience is racist.

and you are absolutely right also. the wayward path begun by the push for political correctness was one of the phenomena i mentioned in ikol's ultimately doomed but worthy idea for his thread "in the spirit of bipartisanship. . . ."

 

labels are only symbols, and what needs addressing or discussing more often in politics (and in the culture itself) is not the symbols themselves but the thoughts and beliefs behind them. it's a tall order this year, that's for sure. it's hard to remember what political opponents focused on before they became hyper-alert to every phrase and inflection. pc'ness sure does seem to hinder complete thoughts being expressed, though; people keep tripping over their own hyper-alertness. i hope the debates don't end up consisting of rotating signs the candidates flash at each other: "fascist!" "liberal!" "pig!" "sexist!" "monster!" "racist!" "baby killer!" . . . and "terrorist!" argh.

 

and aren't media references to the mysterious "republican brand" and other political "brands" this year new -- and weird? since when did ideologies or people's names become brands? reminds me of when the weather channel started referring to a rainstorm or a blizzard as a "rain event" or "snow event," except that was kind of obvious and amusing. we laughed about it for days in my house. must not have been an election year.

[Guest Jules]

The white moderate racist is most likely voting for McCain, and those that support Obama most likey are annoyed by Palin's dirty looks. Besides, Obama won't debate Palin. She's up against a man who kows his shit, and she better read up. She's bound to be the one frustrated and mean.

She'll eat up Biden.

 

I hope someone is watching Barrack on Letterman right now.

Meh.