New and Improved 3-ply election thread...

[viatroy]

I see WaMu's done now. Does that mean I don't have to pay my credit card bill?

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

link?

 

LOL

 

Take your pick dude...

 

 

 

[MrRain422]

I see WaMu's done now. Does that mean I don't have to pay my credit card bill?

 

No, regular people are still screwed. You only get out of your obligations if you're wealthy.

[SeattleC]

WaMu's nice fancy relatively new high rise in my home town of Seattle will be a rather somber place in the morning (sick day anyone?). Could be some lively happy hour discussions in the bars nearby tomorrow though.

[bobbob1313]

How does Wamu 's thing affect me? I bank there and I'm supposed to have a direct deposit go in tomorrow.

 

 

 

Wow, O'Reilly actually put it to people that deserve it. Props to him.

[Edie]

1. Because McCain/Palin are not the the ones on the ballot with a horrendous voting record regarding abortion, and a socialistic and culturally liberal policy "wish-list" for our country.

 

2. Because McCain/Palin are not the the ones on the ballot with a horrendous voting record regarding abortion, and a socialistic and culturally liberal policy "wish-list" for our country.

 

3. Because McCain/Palin are not the the ones on the ballot with a horrendous voting record regarding abortion, and a socialistic and culturally liberal policy "wish-list" for our country.

 

Congratulations -- you win the "ignore" award for the rest of this election cycle. Your comments have added very little to the discourse other than to make generally baseless, wild comments like someone blindfolded and spun trying to hit a pinata.

 

 

 

On another note, my 20 stepson has a savings/checking account with WaMu -- fortunately it is protected with one of those stupid "regulation things" (Roosevelt era) that so many people seem to hate. My husband gets to call him tomorrow and talk to him about how/why things are so fucked up.

[mountain bed]

Well now, here's an interesting thing: a group of House GOP folk walked out of bailout talks - evidently the proceedings weren't going to their liking. They want (dig this) less oversight - let the market work itself out.

 

Am I getting this right? This could be either the dumbest thing I've ever heard of, or a true political masterstroke: since W and the Dems now seem to be somewhat on the same page with this bailout legislation the incumbent House Reps are now gonna run on a campaign of "Anti-Bush/Anti-Dem 'socialism' legislation" - actually running against a man they have basically been in lock-step with for 8 years?

 

I think my head is gonna explode. I'm trying hard not to fall into the conspiracy theory trip here.

[SeattleC]

Yes, are the Republican's so smart they've got this whole thing figured out, or are they just full of dumb luck. Lining up the Democrats with the unpopular incumbent.

 

 

Calls and emails to Congress are about 100 to 1 against a bailout last I heard. Come on democrats, your gut is in the right place, but let the brain lead.

 

Let's slow this train down, and as the Hitchhiker's guide says, "Don't Panic"

[mountain bed]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080926/ap_on_...ancial_meltdown

 

Today: supposedly the last day before the congressional vacation. Anyone wanna take dibs on what the Dow does today?

 

Steny Hoyer did say Thursday that they could stay "as long as it takes" to get it together. Which might be precisely the point - show the people you're working off the clock to get the job done. This might play real good in places.

[sweetheart-mine]

Well now, here's an interesting thing: a group of House GOP folk walked out of bailout talks - evidently the proceedings weren't going to their liking. They want (dig this) less oversight - let the market work itself out.

 

Am I getting this right? This could be either the dumbest thing I've ever heard of, or a true political masterstroke: since W and the Dems now seem to be somewhat on the same page with this bailout legislation the incumbent House Reps are now gonna run on a campaign of "Anti-Bush/Anti-Dem 'socialism' legislation" - actually running against a man they have basically been in lock-step with for 8 years?

 

I think my head is gonna explode. I'm trying hard not to fall into the conspiracy theory trip here.

 

at the close of political and bailout business tonight, this is exactly what the upshot looked like to me. keep an open mind for tomorrow, this is one insane week.

[Good Old Neon]

From the world of the batshit insane - more talk of witches and python spirits and demons (oh my!) - you have to almost sort of wonder if the Weekly World News serves as like, the New York Times for these people - I'm sure the Bat Boy figures into this insulated world of shared, mass schizophrenia somehow:

 

The Witch Hunter Anoints Sarah Palin

 

Wasilla, Alaska

 

On September 20 and 21, I attended services at the church Sarah Palin belonged to since she was an adolescent, the Wasilla Assembly of God. Though Palin officially left the church in 2002, she is listed on its website as "a friend," and spoke there as recently as June 8 of this year.

 

I went specifically to see a pastor visiting from Kiambu, Kenya named Thomas Muthee. Muthee gained fame within Pentecostal circles by claiming that he defeated a local witch, Mama Jane, in a great spiritual battle, thus liberating his town from sin and opening its people to the spirit of Jesus.

 

Muthee's mounting stardom took him to Wasilla Assembly of God in May, 2005, where he prayed over Palin and called upon Jesus to propel her into the governor's mansion -- and beyond. Muthee also implored Jesus to protect Palin from "the spirit of witchcraft." The video archive of that startling sermon was scrubbed from Wasilla Assembly of God's website, but now it has reappeared.

 

Since Palin was nominated as vice president, Wasilla Assembly of God has taken a draconian line with reporters. The church now forbids members of the media from filming, taking notes, or bringing voice recorders to its services. I was able to record Muthee's recent sermons only by deploying an array of tiny cameras and hidden microphones. Though the quality and comprehensiveness of my footage was severely compromised by the church's closed door policy to the press, I was not going to be deterred.

 

By the end of the second day of Muthee's sermons, the church had been tipped off about me, the liberal media member in its midst. An associate pastor told me he had received an email from an anonymous source warning him about me. When I tried to interview members of the congregation in the church parking lot, my questions were either met with silence or open hostility. I strongly suspect the McCain campaign has mobilized the Wasilla Assembly of God against perceived threats from the media.

 

But they hardly needed encouragement. On the first night of services, Muthee implored his audience to wage "spiritual warfare" against "the enemy." As I filmed, a nervous church staffer approached from behind and told me to put my camera away. I acceded to his demand, but as Muthee urged the church to crush "the python spirit" of the unbeliever enemies by stomping on their necks, I pulled out a smaller camera and filmed from a more discreet position. Now, church members were in deep prayer, speaking in tongues and raising their hands. Muthee exclaimed, "We come against the spirit of witchcraft! We come against the python spirits!" Then, a local pastor took the mic from Muthee and added, "We stomp on the heads of the enemy!"

 

Behind the Christian right's enthusiasm for Palin's conservative credentials is a visceral sense that that she has come from them, not to them. Some right-wing evangelicals even believe she has messianic potential. As former Christian Broadcasting Network vice president Jim Bramlett wrote, "Sarah is that standard God has raised up to stop the flood. She has the anointing."

 

The Christian right's analysis is accurate to a certain degree. While Palin may not be The One, she is certainly one of them. Her social policy views, from her rejection of scientific evidence on global warming to her opposition to publicly funding emergency contraception for rape victims, are explicitly influenced by the sectarian theology she has subscribed to since she was a teenager. There is no better evidence of the depth of Palin's radical convictions than her startling encounter with the witch-hunter, Bishop Muthee.

 

Next week, I will post an exclusive video documentary here that will shed further light on Palin's relationship with Muthee and the religious right in Alaska. Stay tuned.

 

Source - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenth...s_b_128805.html

 

Edit: yep, just as I suspected - in walks the Bat Boy - http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/celebs/bailout/

[fatheadfred]

Ahhh...the arrogance of youth.

 

Allow people the space do believe, listen to, eat, screw, worship, read what they will.

 

It won't diminish you to accept that people are different from you.

 

Maybe adults aren't so go at these things either, moreso?

 

All thats sacred comes from youth

Dedication, naive and true

With no power, nothing to do

I still remember, why dont you...dont you...

[fatheadfred]

How does Wamu 's thing affect me? I bank there and I'm supposed to have a direct deposit go in tomorrow.

 

 

 

Wow, O'Reilly actually put it to people that deserve it. Props to him.

He is friggin nuts in that. I agree that the all knew. They've known for sometime, but his approach, damn Bill, that is entertainment. And I thought I got pist when I read about gov't conspiracies. Bill is the King of Pist.

[John Smith]

you're not looking very hard. i don't know any conservatives who think much of bush.

 

Not where I live, they love him like a deity - seriously

 

you know a lot of stupid people.

 

The people I am referencing are 1%'ers. One owns a chain of retail stores and is worth 200m or so. For these people it all comes down to greed who will give them the lowest taxes...period. They love Bush.

 

...because...

 

he is left handed

is muslim

is multi racial

is intelligent

 

what? say it.

 

You forgot that he is also the anti-christ. My daughters best friend told her that is what she and her church believe. Her main reason besides the muslim thing is that Obama is a good speaker and the anti christ will be a good speaker. Thats why theylove Bush/McCain/Palin etc... I told my daughter to ask her if her minister is a good speaker? If she thinks Bush and McCain are good speakers. But it won't matter it is how the church this kid was brought up n teaches them to think.

 

Do you wanna hunt witches as well? That's American job creation isn't it? At least that's what Palin and her church think.

 

When is witch season? Is it shotgun? Bow? what can we use? Are there limits on what we can take?

[viatroy]

I'm not sure who this radio commentator Ed Schultz is, but here's his take this morning

 

McCain Camp insiders say Palin "clueless"

Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people

are more than concerned about Palin. The campaign has held

a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as "disastrous." One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, "What are we going to do?" The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is "clueless."

[Good Old Neon]

I'm not sure who this radio commentator Ed Schultz is, but here's his take this morning

 

McCain Camp insiders say Palin "clueless"

Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people

are more than concerned about Palin. The campaign has held

a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as "disastrous." One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, "What are we going to do?" The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is "clueless."

 

And, assuming, a.), this is true, and b.) McCain bails on tonight

[quarter23cd]

The Witch Hunter Anoints Sarah Palin

Protecting her against witches seems kind of pointless--I thought her adversaries were all godless secular humanists?

 

And besides, the GOP is probably wishing right now that somebody would come along and turn her into a Newt.

 

 

[sweetheart-mine]

you're not looking very hard. i don't know any conservatives who think much of bush.

 

my experience has been that kwall is right here. most traditional fiscal conservatives that i encounter have thought bush was a disaster since the iraq invasion and believe he has only gotten worse.

[sweetheart-mine]

I'm not sure who this radio commentator Ed Schultz is, but here's his take this morning

 

McCain Camp insiders say Palin "clueless"

Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people

are more than concerned about Palin. The campaign has held

a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as "disastrous." One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, "What are we going to do?" The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is "clueless."

they must be in a panic. and how to get rid of her? they can't, after bringing her out of the woods on a parade float and presenting her as this giant gift to the country.

 

i can't see potential mccain/palin voters putting up with not seeing her debate after what the country has seen in her so far. but then, some of them will excuse just about anything.

[kwall]

Not where I live, they love him like a deity - seriously

 

 

 

The people I am referencing are 1%'ers. One owns a chain of retail stores and is worth 200m or so. For these people it all comes down to greed who will give them the lowest taxes...period. They love Bush.

well, it seems that you often cite these people as being representative of conservatives and conservative thought. perhaps basing your view of the opposition on a handful of "1%ers" is an unfair generalization?

[bleedorange]

they must be in a panic. and how to get rid of her? they can't, after bringing her out of the woods on a parade float and presenting her as this giant gift to the country.

 

Maybe they're just trying to drastically lower expectations.

[NightOfJoy]

Yes - I find it inspiring, the defeat of the Third Reich and all.

 

I read somewhere recently that that photo was reenactment of the event.

 

For that matter, so was the famous flag raising photo on Mt Suribachi on Iwo Jima. The first flag raising on the mountain happened hours earlier.

[watch me fall]

From another board about the Couric interview:

 

Fact is anybody can be made to look dumb through the right questioning. That is the fact. Your attempt to condone such questioning because she wasn't allowed to do more interviews demonstrates you unwillingness to be objective.

 

Unbelievable.

[quarter23cd]

Maybe they're just trying to drastically lower expectations.

Is this possible? We've had 8 years of Bush. Anything was supposed to be better than him, wasn't it?

[NightOfJoy]

Oh, there is alot of power there in the free markets, no doubt. It is not a black and white issue though. Too many or too few regulatory constraints are problematic.

 

Obama may not be the solution, but he certainly isn't the problem. I hope for my children's sake he is part of the solution. I truly believe McCain will continue 'the problem'. I'm very willing to take the chance on Obama, and trust that he has the wisdom to get smart people to help him. McCain has certainly shown his cards in that respect, given his VP selection. I hope I never get a chance to see his cabinet.

 

McCain is on record stating that "he has always been in favor of deregulation". He said that in March of this year while chatting with reporters from the Wall St Journal.