quarter23cd Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Of course, many Christians (including Catholics) don't take the Old Testament literally.Heh. In fairness, the mom in this story is an environmental scientist (and Catholic) who doesn't take the Old Testament literally, but she's having trouble knowing how to explain that to her kids who are just learning about this stuff and are being told in religious education classes to take it literally and she doesn't want to confuse the hell out of them. I wasn't really making fun of the whole thing so much as it was just a cute story. Kids really are pretty smart, though. Link to post Share on other sites
Edie Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Holy crap -- RCP shows that AZ is now leaning McCain, instead of solid McCain. RCP map NH, being the fickle, independent place that it is, has vacilated often in the last 30 days Link to post Share on other sites
Dude Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Holy crap -- RCP shows that AZ is now leaning McCain, instead of solid McCain. RCP map Yeah, in a new AZ poll, McCain's lead has shrunk to only 4 points over Obama in his home state: http://www.politickeraz.com/node/2593 If that isn't demoralizing for Repubs, I'm not sure what is. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 [quote name='Đ Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Republican fears of historic Obama landslide unleash civil war for the future of the party Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 i'm at a conference in Las Vegas and one of our speakers was talkng about the McCain Wish List vs Obama wish list for corporate deductions. McCain is in favor of doing away with the domesticemanufacturing deduction which replaced a former foreign deduction not allowed any more. Obama is in favor of ending it for oil & gas co's only (I disagree with both by the way) ANyhow they guy making reemarks said that McCain is in favor of ending the deduction for Joe the manufacturer while Obama is in favor of ending it for Joe the oil & Gas manufacturer. I amd afraid Joe the... is going to be as ubiquitous as adding the word Gate to any scandal. For introducing the "joe the plumber" to our language McCain should lose. I already hate Joe the... more than I ever hated " ... on board" signs. Urgh! Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Missouri has been a bellwether in every White House race during the last century, except 1956. "Missouri Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Polling indicates that Missouri isn't so much of a bellwether this year. It's been +5 for the Republicans vs. the national average for most of the season. There are a few very plausible routes to victory for Obama that don't include MO, but it would pretty much seal the deal if he did win it. Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 "President Joe" Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Polling indicates that Missouri isn't so much of a bellwether this year. It's been +5 for the Republicans vs. the national average for most of the season. There are a few very plausible routes to victory for Obama that don't include MO, but it would pretty much seal the deal if he did win it. Reuters put Obama +2 today. Link to post Share on other sites
Dude Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I wonder how the "little starburst" guy (National Review's Rich Lowry) feels about her now, remember him? I'm sure I'm not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, "Hey, I think she just winked at me." And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can't be learned; it's either something you have or you don't, and man, she's got it. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Reuters put Obama +2 today.Right, I mean, a bellwether state will more or less match up with the national polls. The national polls have Obama, on average, at +7%. They have him leading in Missouri by 1 or 2 points. So MO is +5 for McCain as compared to where the rest of the nation is and consistently has been around that mark. Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Right, I mean, a bellwether state will more or less match up with the national polls. The national polls have Obama, on average, at +7%. They have him leading in Missouri by 1 or 2 points. So MO is +5 for McCain as compared to where the rest of the nation is and consistently has been around that mark.Oh, oh.My interpretation of bellweather is that Missouri tends to predict the winner. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Oh, oh.My interpretation of bellweather is that Missouri tends to predict the winner.Right, but it might not this year (unusually) is all. Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Right, but it might not this year (unusually) is all.I'd be willing to make a little wager that it will. Link to post Share on other sites
Edie Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 So will IL Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I need someone to explain to me why some Hillary supporters are still planning on voting McCain. I don't remember where I was where I saw it/heard it, but there are still some of those people out there and I find it hard to believe that John McCain et al are somehow more aligned with Hillary Clinton than Obama is. I kind of got (although didn't respect) the outrage right at the beginning why Hillary people were still sour, but now? A week before the election? How does that make any sense whatsoever? Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted October 27, 2008 Author Share Posted October 27, 2008 I need someone to explain to me why some Hillary supporters are still planning on voting McCain. I don't remember where I was where I saw it/heard it, but there are still some of those people out there and I find it hard to believe that John McCain et al are somehow more aligned with Hillary Clinton than Obama is. I kind of got (although didn't respect) the outrage right at the beginning why Hillary people were still sour, but now? A week before the election? How does that make any sense whatsoever? Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I need someone to explain to me why some Hillary supporters are still planning on voting McCain. I don't remember where I was where I saw it/heard it, but there are still some of those people out there and I find it hard to believe that John McCain et al are somehow more aligned with Hillary Clinton than Obama is. I kind of got (although didn't respect) the outrage right at the beginning why Hillary people were still sour, but now? A week before the election? How does that make any sense whatsoever? As far as I can tell, there really aren't very many left. Of those Clinton supporters who are supporting McCain though, I think it's mostly sour grapes, mixed in with a few racist nutbars (see the "Inadaquate black male" crazy lady, whatever her name is). Issues-wise, it doesn't make any sense at all, as Obama is way closer to Clinton on most issues than McCain is. I suppose there may be a few who just want to see a woman win something who were swayed by Palin being added to the ticket, but I can't imagine it is very many, at least now that there have been a few weeks for people to find out what Palin is really all about. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I need someone to explain to me why some Hillary supporters are still planning on voting McCain. I don't remember where I was where I saw it/heard it, but there are still some of those people out there and I find it hard to believe that John McCain et al are somehow more aligned with Hillary Clinton than Obama is. I kind of got (although didn't respect) the outrage right at the beginning why Hillary people were still sour, but now? A week before the election? How does that make any sense whatsoever?I think that contingent is no larger at this point than might usually be expected. Obama is doing pretty well amongst self-identified Democrats at this point. The long, hotly contested primary has actually helped him, as he's had his field operations already in place for the general. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Republican fears of historic Obama landslide unleash civil war for the future of the party The future of the Republican Party rests squarely on its ability (or inability) to wrest control back from the religious fundamentalists. As I Link to post Share on other sites
watch me fall Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I heard on NPR yesterday that the Hillary supporters for McCain contingent was at about 5%. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I need someone to explain to me why some Hillary supporters are still planning on voting McCain. I don't remember where I was where I saw it/heard it, but there are still some of those people out there and I find it hard to believe that John McCain et al are somehow more aligned with Hillary Clinton than Obama is. I kind of got (although didn't respect) the outrage right at the beginning why Hillary people were still sour, but now? A week before the election? How does that make any sense whatsoever? Cutting off the nose to spite the face is an expression that comes to mind. Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Republican fears of historic Obama landslide unleash civil war for the future of the party This could be the kick in the ass that the Republicans need AND deserve. Who knows who will be the Republican nominee in 2012, but it surely will be much stronger than the middle-of-the-road, bland McCain. This line is interesting from the above article: No president has had the support of such a majority (if Democrats get to 60-40) since Jimmy Carter won the 1976 election. And that sure worked out fantastically. Link to post Share on other sites
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