Sir Stewart Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 That'd be a mistake, in my eyes. I think even a two-year deal is pushing it, though. I think so too. Link to post Share on other sites
CrushOfVeils80 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 as a Ranger fan I'd trade Salty to the Bo Sox for Clay Buchholz or Bowden in 2 seconds Link to post Share on other sites
Oil Can Boyd Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 American League Gold Glove winnersP, Mike Mussina, NYYC, Joe Mauer, MIN1B, Carlos Pena, TB2B, Dustin Pedroia, BOS3B, Adrian Beltre, SEASS, Michael Young, TEXOF, Torii Hunter, LAAOF, Grady Sizemore, CLEOF, Ichiro Suzuki, SEA Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted November 7, 2008 Author Share Posted November 7, 2008 And 2008 NL Gold Glovers (announced yesterday): P, Greg Maddux, LADC, Yadier Molina, STL1B, Adrian Gonzalez, SD2B, Brandon Phillips, CIN3B, David Wright, NYMSS, Jimmy Rollins, PHIOF, Carlos Beltran, NYMOF, Nate McLouth, PITOF, Shane Victorino, PHI Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 mcclouth and young stand out as the worst choices. Wright is a pretty bad choice as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 A pretty good way to send Maddux off, well, if he chooses to. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted November 7, 2008 Author Share Posted November 7, 2008 A pretty good way to send Maddux off, well, if he chooses to.I believe it's his 18th. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I'm sure Maddux is still a fine fielder, but they gave that to him because he gets it every year. There isn't even much pretense about that when it comes to the Gold Glove. This year's picks are better then usual though. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 A lot of the selections just seem random. "Here are a group of players who play in this league." Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted November 7, 2008 Author Share Posted November 7, 2008 A lot of the selections just seem random. "Here are a group of players who play in this league."Seems like it's been like that for quite awhile now. Sure, there are always a few that are obvious choices, but for the most part, it does seems fairly random. I wonder how much clout the award actually holds anymore. Is it brought up in trade talks, even, do players relish it, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Play MLB Free Agent Frenzy Link to post Share on other sites
CrushOfVeils80 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 The gold glove kind of becomes like the Pro Bowl in the NFL sometimes, it's like oh you have won a few gold gloves before we will give you another one I watch the Rangers every game with my MLB extra innings package and Michael Youngs range is awful, he needs to be moved to second base, love the guy but he didnt deserve the GG at SS Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Young is definitely the worst pick in the group. Not historically bad (still a long way to go before the Palmeiro GG gets topped) but pretty bad. He's a great bat for a middle infielder but his glove is nothing special. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Young is definitely the worst pick in the group. Not historically bad (still a long way to go before the Palmeiro GG gets topped) but pretty bad. He's a great bat for a middle infielder but his glove is nothing special. I thought from most fielding metrics he was considered one of the two worst (along with 3 time GGer Derek Jeter?) Pretty sure that was the Fielding Bible's findings, at least. Link to post Share on other sites
Oil Can Boyd Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I thought from most fielding metrics he was considered one of the two worst (along with 3 time GGer Derek Jeter?)Pretty sure that was the Fielding Bible's findings, at least.Yup. The knock on both Young and Jeter is that they are very good at balls hit right to them - which keeps their fielding percentage high - but their range is so limited. And the problem with fielding stats is that fielding percentage/number of errors is the metric that many people still look at. Someone on ESPN was making the point that the real problem with Young getting the Gold Glove is that it makes it hard to change his position. Most people seem to agree that he is a liability in the field but now it becomes hard to move him. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 The thing is, Jeter at least had an undeserved reputation of being a great fielder. Young doesn't even have that--what's the deal? Link to post Share on other sites
Serak_the_Preparer Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 The Denver Post's Troy Renck writes that, barring a dramatic reversal, Matt Holliday will be traded this winter. The Rockies have talked to the Rays about Holliday, with the names of Carl Crawford, Andy Sonnanstine and Edwin Jackson coming up as potential returns. It seems unlikely that the Rays would want to trade Crawford now, but they may not have the payroll flexibility to employ both. Other possible fits for Holliday include the Angels, Yankees, Mets, Phillies and Indians. The Rockies will focus on getting pitching in return. And as far a Sabathia goes, I wouldn't pay him a dime until he wins a playoff game. Link to post Share on other sites
CrushOfVeils80 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Young might not even be the Rangers SS in 2010, they have a kid named Elvis Andrus in the minors who has much better range and a much better arm, if they dont trade him for some pitching or in some dumb move Andrus will be ready in 2010, he made a lot of errors last year in AA but he was like 19 Sonnanstine or Edwin Jackson will be traded cuz David Price is obviously ready to be the 5th starter Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Man, the Marlins system went from very weak to very strong in a very short time period. They probably have 2 top 15 hitting prospects, 3 top 50 hitters, and 6 top 100 guys. With a bunch of really strong prospects who would be higher ranked if we were the Yankees, Cubs or Red Sox. Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 And as far a Sabathia goes, I wouldn't pay him a dime until he wins a playoff game. This is true. He dominates in the regular season but his awesome switch goes off in the post-season. It sucks. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 He's still only pitched 8 postseason games. Not much to work with there. For example, as dominant as he was in the regular season, here were his stats after his first 8 starts of this past season: 2-5, 6.55 ERA, 47/20 K/BB That didn't stop him from finishing the year 17-10, 2.70, 251/59 Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 He also might do better in the post season if he hadn't already pitched ~250 innings during the season before his last two post-season runs. Link to post Share on other sites
CrushOfVeils80 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 CC threw his last three reg season games on 3 days rest I believe Link to post Share on other sites
Serak_the_Preparer Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 True, he started slow in the regular season and ended great, but that doesn't change the fact that he can't win in the post season. I felt bad for him to pitch the last 3 games this year on 3 days rest, but that shouldn't be an excuse. Plenty of great post season pitchers pitch on 3 days rest and win. Post season stats: Year Round Tm Opp WLser G GS ERA W L SV CG IP H ER BB SO+------+-----+---+---+-----+---+---+------+--+--+--+--+-----+---+---+---+---+ 2001 ALDS CLE SEA L 1 1 3.00 1 0 0 0 6 6 2 5 5 2007 ALDS CLE NYY W 1 1 5.40 1 0 0 0 5 4 3 6 5 ALCS CLE BOS L 2 2 10.45 0 2 0 0 10.1 17 12 7 9 2008 NLDS MIL PHI L 1 1 12.27 0 1 0 0 3.2 6 5 4 5 +------+-----+---+---+-----+---+---+------+--+--+--+--+-----+---+---+---+---+ 3 Lg Div Series 1-2 3 3 6.14 2 1 0 0 14.2 16 10 15 15 4 Postseason Ser 1-3 5 5 7.92 2 3 0 0 25 33 22 22 24 Link to post Share on other sites
PigSooie Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 New Nationals jerseys. Link to post Share on other sites
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