Hold on just one damn minute...

[IATTBYB]

Whether someone voted for Obama because of his racial makeup or despite his racial makeup, I'm just glad that more of us voted for him than McCain.

[Sir Stewart]

oopsies.

Hey, you were just quoting the man.

[Winston Legthigh]

who's ignoring anything other than, seemingly, what i'm posting?!

I'm ignoring any post that postulates why this election is a landmark event. Or any other sadsack bitchery.

[aricandover]

No, it's not, but when you stop short of posting this:

 

 

...and completely twist around what i'm actually saying, i don't react to postively to that. is posting up a video from cnn, calling me cold-hearted and superficial being calm? i'd say, 'calmer than you, dude'.

 

 

 

we can agree to disagree (or not) on what i saw in the focus of the media on election night. i know how you don't like to be wrong just as much as i don't. really, it's a moot point anyhow...if i had said the media shouldn't have focused on AT ALL versus that i had an opinion that they focused on it too much, then we'd have something to argue about. MattZ, again, better summarized what my original point was.

 

however, for example, lou admonishing bobob for wanting to get to moving past the historical relevance of him being a 'black' president and just a president...while not saying "he is black, therefore he will be a better president"...seems right on the cusp of that.

[LouieB]

Whether someone voted for Obama because of his racial makeup or despite his racial makeup, I'm just glad that more of us voted for him than McCain.

Good for you....

 

 

I'm ignoring any post that postulates why this election is a landmark event. Or any other sadsack bitchery.

That's too bad...but not sure what sadsack bitchery means...

 

LouieB

[Dude]

To me, it's a bigger and more historical event that a black man can stand up and be viewed as a man. Not a black man. Yes, bigger than the fact that we elected a black man as president. Maybe it's splitting hairs, but I wish the media were covering that story more. (And I think that's what EL is saying too).

 

A black kid growing up today has a better chance to be whatever he wants to be because people don't see Obama as a black man. Not because one black guy got elected president.

 

Funny, but Obama is hardly the first black man I view as simply a man - I've known many black men personally who were just men, and many media personalities who also crossed over color barriers who I though as simply just men and not black men. I don't see Obama being fundamendally different on that regard than many who have come before him.

[MattZ]

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[mfwahl]

"If there is anyone out there who still doubts that A.M. is an album where all things are possible; who still wonders if Being There is alive in our time; who still questions Summerteeth, Wilco is your answer.

 

It's the answer told by lines that stretched around the ticket booth for the 2007 Chicago residency; by people who waited three hours and four hours, many for the very first time in their lives, because they believed that this concert series must be different; that Wilco could be that difference.

 

It's the answer spoken by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, A Ghost is Born, Kicking Television and Sky Blue Sky, -- Americans who sent a message to the world that Wilco's work has never been a collection of alt.country and roots rock: we are, and always will be, the United Fans of Wilco."

Awesome

[Dude]

we can agree to disagree (or not) on what i saw in the focus of the media on election night. i know how you don't like to be wrong just as much as i don't. really, it's a moot point anyhow...if i had said the media shouldn't have focused on AT ALL versus that i had an opinion that they focused on it too much, then we'd have something to argue about. MattZ, again, better summarized what my original point was.

 

I can respect that, without really getting it. I was downtown Chicago when the media analysis election night transpired, and I saw very little of it outside of what was shown on the screen in Grant Park (which was only CNN). What media coverage I have seen hasn't been dominated at all by Obama's race - I've seen / read just as much about whether Obama would be left leaning or a centrist, who he would choose for his cabinet, how he would tackle the many challenges including the economy and two wars, the dangers of one party rule, etc. If there was a flurry of coverage about his race Tuesday night, it seems to have toned down Wednesday and today.

 

Maybe I missed out on a lot of things but I think the coverage has given race its fair place - again in the context of this election being a historic one, since if Obama were white, running on his platform, he would be no more important than Bill Clinton taking the White House.

 

 

 

 

He isn't. But you aren't the only person voting in this country.

 

True, and you could argue that while he isn't the first black man to cross racial boundaries and speak to people of all races, he is the first who is running for such an important position.

[Sir Stewart]

The "if Obama was white" argument (even when used as devil's advocate) bugs me, and I hear it a lot.

Bottom line, if Obama was white, he wouldn't be Obama.

It's as ridiculous and absurd to me as saying "yeah, but tell me if that field of grass wasn't growing, you wouldn't cut it."

Umm, OK.

[MattZ]

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[Elixir Sue]

perfectly calm. I just think we would be remiss not to acknowledge the impressive (IMO) character and qualifications that Obama the candidate has shown, along with acknowledgement (versus more focus on) the historical significance of this election.....

 

i'm truly blown away by how his message and the way he presented all but made any shread of worry of his race being a deterrent from his electibility dissapear the most impressive thing of all. i just didn't think the media placed the proper priority on that versus 'black president'. that's all.

I don't disagree with any of this. In fact, my original post was in no way saying your sentiments were wrong; just that I can understand (and appreciate) the media's coverage of the race aspect of this election.

 

Fiinally someone here with some sense..........this is BIG in the African-American community and frankly in the whte community where people still have a memory of the civil rights era. For those that don't this seems like just another politician.

 

LouieB

 

You know what? I'm ready to be led for a fucking change. I do not think I am alone in this - there was a lot of talk on the TV today about how this might bring an end to or at least a curtailment of the cut-throat partisanship we have had for the last fucking 20 years. I have high standards about who leads me, and Obama so far has met them, most notably actually being smart enough to be qualified for the most powerful job in the world. If everybody keeps saying everything and everybody is bullshit, everything and everybody will become bullshit. Bush had his moment to lead after 9/11. He most spectacularly did not. Obama has his moment to lead now. I pray to God he seizes it, and I pray to God the American people can come to some sort of consensus on how to get out of the very deep shit we are in.

[Analogman]

(and let's hope Sarah Palin goes back to the frozen north and is never heard from again...)

LouieB

 

Can Palin resurrect the GOP? Does she want to?

 

By MICHAEL R. BLOOD, Associated Press Writer Michael R. Blood, Associated Press Writer

[OOO]

I am very impressed with south park's ability to get that episode out within 24 hours of the election.

[miss jayne]

Isn't Barack a beautiful example of a melting pot America? When I was in Indiana this summer I asked my friends 21 year old daughter if her friends would have a problem voting for a black candidate for president and she looked at me as if I'd arrived from another planet and said "Molly, he's blended and that really doesn't matter to us anyway. We will vote for him because of what he will do about the war." Point being that so many young people don't see color the way that older folks do and they had seen thru the BS from the neocons. This by no means negates the historic nature of the election, just saying that was the moment that I realized the message of change was being heard loud and clear in one of the reddest of the red states. (Did I say how proud I am of my Hoosier buddies )

[EL the Famous]

I am not sure if you are supporting me or not today, but in any event what I wrote above is the non-dickwade response to whatever is said. I am pretty much done with this. But if people want to ignore the history of slavery, racial segregation, racial dicrimination and the entire civil rights movement, I guess there isn't much to be done for them.

 

i love and respect you, lou...but in this case, i'm not supporting you. because, you are ignoring the fact that nobody is 'ignoring the history of slavery, racial segregation, racial dicrimination and the entire civil rights movement'.

 

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[IATTBYB]

In regard to the article A-man posted about Palin and the future of the GOP, my hunch is that she is going to have about as much impact on the party as Quayle had in '92.

[bobbob1313]

I'm stunned that Louie thinks that people getting out and voting for him because he's black is a good thing.

 

Well, I'm not stunned that he thinks it, but I'm still a little stunned that anyone could celebrate it.

 

Why? Because it is racism!

[Dude]

Can Palin resurrect the GOP? Does she want to?

 

It would be helpful if Palin learns something a third grader in geography class knows - that Africa is not a country - before she resurrects the GOP.

 

In fact, it would be fantastic to see how Palin should fare on that Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader show. If she can't handle that, she probably isn't qualified to be elected to the highest office of the most powerful country on the planet.

[Guest Jules]

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[Moe_Syzlak]

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[bobbob1313]

I think '12 is going to be the same as '04 was for the democrats. They are going to put up a terrible candidate and let their 'stars' take it on in '16.

 

Huckabee/Romney/Palin/Giuliani = Kerry/Dean/Edwards

Pawlenty/Jindal = Obama/Hilary

[Dude]

that said, again in the context of this election being a historic one, to say that 'if Obama were white, running on his platform, he would be no more important than Bill Clinton taking the White House' is crazy to me. outside of that:

 

- he won the highest proportion of popular vote since Republican George H. W. Bush defeated Democrat Michael Dukakis in 1988

 

- 52 percent of the popular vote that Obama won -- 63.4 million ballots -- is the highest of any Democratic candidate since 1964

 

- he is the first Democrat since Jimmy Carter in 1976 to win more than 50 percent of the popular vote

 

That gets back to the whole "his race galvanized the African American vote" though, doesn't it? Because minus that surge in registrations and with a whopping 96% of blacks voting for Obama, I don't think he would have achieved any of that. If you think a white candidate could have excited the African American base the way Obama did, we can once again agree to disagree.

[Mrs. Peel]

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[quarter23cd]

NAFTRICA?