Preferred B Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Oh, I thought it was funny too, because I know how people feel about it around here. Well played. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
H.Stone Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 I've said it before (I think) but I don't understand the vehement hate for Shake it Off. I realize some people find the song annoying (I don't), but do you guys truly think the lyrics are bad? I think they're great. I'm not saying it's a better song than IATTBYH. I'm just saying. I'm standing by my July 16th prediction of Ashes as #1. Yeah, people really hate that song. I can see how the melody may alienate people, but I think the lyrics are excellent: Sunlight angles onA wooden floor at dawnA ceiling fan is onChopping up my dreams I dig it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
H.Stone Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 “The ashtray says you were up all night/ when you went to bed, with you’re darkest mind/You’ve changed.” Gah! This your/you're thing is plaguing American Songwriter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
junkiesmile Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Yeah, people really hate that song. I can see how the melody may alienate people, but I think the lyrics are excellent: Sunlight angles onA wooden floor at dawnA ceiling fan is onChopping up my dreams I dig it.Me too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rwilson580 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Me too. This is a mystery to me as well. People complain that SBS is Wilco playing it safe. And yet there's some nice little dissonance going on in Shake It Off, and everybody likes to pile on the song. I'm sure this isn't quite the paradox it appears, that there's a good reason for it. But as a big fan of the album and that song, it confuses me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_ashtray_says Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 i just want to 2nd, 3rd, or 4th, etc. anyone that has said Black Eye. I miss that song. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dude Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 #2 - Ashes of American Flags - http://www.americansongwriter.com/2009/08/the-top-20-jeff-tweedy-songs-2-ashes-of-american-flags/ Does that mean #1 is Misunderstood? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Runaway Jim Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 #2 - Ashes of American Flags - http://www.americansongwriter.com/2009/08/the-top-20-jeff-tweedy-songs-2-ashes-of-american-flags/ Does that mean #1 is Misunderstood? How is "I know I would die, if I could come back new" not the key lyric? It might be the most key lyric of any of Tweedy's songs. I would guess it could possibly be Via Chicago or Poor Places, but probably Misunderstood. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gabe32 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 i don't think via chicago should be #1, but it definitely deserves to be in tweedy's top 20. that is way too big of a song to be left out of a list like this. i think it's the only possible song left. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dude Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 anything seems possible with this douchebag. so far, he's left off a number of songs deserving to be on the list (at least two of these three: Misunderstood, Poor Places, Via Chicago) but yet has HMD, Wilco (the song), Promising and I Can't Keep From Talking on here. Ridiculous. I still hope it's Outtasite (Outta Mind). What's wrong with I Can't Keep From Talking? That's a fantastic song. 'That's Not the Issue' on the other hand doesn't deserve to be within 1,000 yards of any top 20. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Runaway Jim Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 What's wrong with I Can't Keep From Talking? That's a fantastic song. 'That's Not the Issue' on the other hand doesn't deserve to be within 1,000 yards of any top 20. Nothing "wrong" with I Can't Keep From Talking, just nowhere near a Top 20 song for me. I love That's Not the Issue. Top 20? No, but I like it as his nod to A.M. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dude Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 I love That's Not the Issue. Top 20? No, but I like it as his nod to A.M. Too Far Apart - Key Lyric - "Is it really punk rock, like the party line?" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 #2 - Ashes of American Flags - http://www.americansongwriter.com/2009/08/the-top-20-jeff-tweedy-songs-2-ashes-of-american-flags/ Does that mean #1 is Misunderstood? Wow. He really went all out with that paragraph. Does he write these while sitting on the toilet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mtt_wojo Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 I really don't think this guys list made the grade. I agree with some of his choices but the placement for some songs is absolutely atrocious so I decided to make my own list. I debated whether or not to put up the 'Mermaid Avenue' stuff but decided that it deserves to be up here. Without Jeff (and Jay Bennett), these songs wouldn't have come to life. They are absolutely beautiful and are some of the best things Jeff has ever touched. Hope you enjoy: 1.Sunken Treasure: ‘Music is my savior/I was maimed by rock & roll/I was tamed by rock & roll/I got my name…from rock and roll’ 2.Poor Places: ‘And it makes no difference to me how they cried all over overseas/when it’s hot in the poor places tonight…I’m not going outside’ 3.Jesus, etc.: ‘Tall buildings shake, voices escape carrying sad, sad songs/tuned to chords strung down your cheeks, bitter melodies turning your orbit around’ 4.Ashes of American Flags: ‘All my lies are always wishes, you know I would die if I could come back new’ 5.Via Chicago: ‘I dreamed about killing you again last night and it felt alright to me…’ 6.I Am Trying To Break Your Heart: ‘I am an American aquarium drinker/I assassin down the avenue…’ 7.A Shot In The Arm: 'Maybe all I need is a shot in the arm/Something in my veins, bloodier than blood’ 8.Misunderstood: ‘I’d like to thank you all for nothing at all’ 9.Remember The Mountain Bed: ‘…people laugh and love and dream, they fight, they hate to die’ 10.Cars Can’t Escape ‘…there were reasons for you to love me but I gave you none’ 11.California Stars ‘…they hang like grapes on vines that shine and warm the lovers glass like a friendly wine’ 12.She’s A Jar: ‘…a pretty war with feeling hid/you know she begs me not to hit her’ 13.Please Tell My Brother: ‘…and as I travel from coast to coast/I feel your love and I feel your ghost’ 14.Impossible Germany: ‘But this is what love is for/To be out of place/gorgeous and alone/face to face’ 15.At Least That’s What You Said: ‘…I thought it was cute for you to kiss my purple black eye/even though I caught it from you/I still think we’re serious’ 16.One Wing: ‘…one wing will never ever fly, dear/neither yours or mine, I fear we can only wave goodbye’ 17.Gun: ‘Don’t tell me which way I ought to run or what good I could do anyone because my heart, it was a gun but it’s unloaded now’ 18.You Are My Face: ‘I have no idea how this happens/all of my maps have been overthrown/happenstance has changed my plans so many times that my heart has been outgrown/Now everybody’s feeling all alone/I can’t tell you who I am’ 19.Laminated Cat: ‘Summer comes and gravity undoes you/you’re happy because of the lovely way the sunshine bends’ 20.Another Man’s Done Gone: ‘Well I don’t know/I may go down or up or anywhere/But I feel like this scribbling might stay’ And that's my list. Hope you guys like it. Close calls: (by order of release) New Madrid, The Long Cut, Forget The Flowers, Someone Else’s Song, No Poetry, One By One, Pieholden Suite, Magazine Called Sunset, Handshake Drugs…there’s so many. A list of just 20 is so hard to do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 You can copy and paste your list into the thread called "Let's Do This Right", where ViaChicagoans are gonna tally their own Top 20 list. Good lyric choices. Another Man's Done Gone IS fantastic, but I believe Billy Bragg wrote that song. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mtt_wojo Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 You can copy and paste your list into the thread called "Let's Do This Right", where ViaChicagoans are gonna tally their own Top 20 list. Good lyric choices. Another Man's Done Gone IS fantastic, but I believe Billy Bragg wrote that song. Thanks. I posted it up there. From what I read in the Wilco book, Jay basically said that Billy came up with three chords to the songs. Jay added more embellishments to the chords and sequence and Jeff came up with this beautiful melody. Basically a group collaboration, yet when the album came out, it was only listed to Billy. Apparently he thought the three chords he came up with were the 'germ' of the song. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 From what I read in the Wilco book, Jay basically said that Billy came up with three chords to the songs. Jay added more embellishments to the chords and sequence and Jeff came up with this beautiful melody. Basically a group collaboration, yet when the album came out, it was only listed to Billy. Apparently he thought the three chords he came up with were the 'germ' of the song. That may be correct. And if it is.....well, crap!....now I may need to re-do my list. It's my opinion that Another Man Done Gone is the best track on either Mermaid Ave. disc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barbkm Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I predict the Number one will be Just a Kid (just kidding) -- but since his choice from AM was That's Not the Issue and not Pick Up the Change, I can't predict where he'll go, I thought it was going to be Ashes, cos in the same issue of the magazine it's voted one of the best songs of the last 25 years. Whatever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
augurus Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Not okay with a list that will not include either Via Chicago or Misunderstood. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dude Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 #1 - Misunderstood - http://www.americansongwriter.com/2009/08/the-top-20-jeff-tweedy-songs-1-misunderstood/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Runaway Jim Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Finally a decent write up. It exceeded one paragraph! I dig it being number one. It's a top 10 for me, but it probably was the song that first made me LOVE wilco, so sure, why not no. 1? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusetc84 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 My Personal top 20: 01. Jesus, Etc02. I Am Trying To Break Your Heart 03. Via Chicago04. Poor Places05. She's a Jar06. Misunderstood07. Remember The Mountain Bed08. Spiders (Kidsmoke)09. Sunken Treasure10. A Shot in The Arm11. Laminated Cat12. Wishful Thinking13. Ashes of American Flags14. Reservations15. Can't Stand It16. I'm Always in Love17. Impossible Germany18. Bull Black Nova19. New Madrid20. A Magazine Called Sunset Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Runaway Jim Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Aside from Bull Black Annoying, that's a really solid list. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
W(TF) Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 My Personal top 20: 01. Jesus, Etc02. I Am Trying To Break Your Heart 03. Via Chicago04. Poor Places05. She's a Jar06. Misunderstood07. Remember The Mountain Bed08. Spiders (Kidsmoke)09. Sunken Treasure10. A Shot in The Arm11. Laminated Cat12. Wishful Thinking13. Ashes of American Flags14. Reservations15. Can't Stand It16. I'm Always in Love17. Impossible Germany18. Bull Black Nova19. New Madrid20. A Magazine Called Sunset This is a much better list. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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