Guest Jules Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 91% Romney. I must be a terrible person. Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 91% Obama, 10% Romney. Shocker. Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Hasn't that been well established already? IRDB sure thinks so. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 He sure does. Not sure what I did to him. Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Maybe your forgot d. Boon. Link to post Share on other sites
dagwave Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 hey what was that Christopher Walken movie based on a stephen king book all about? i forget who played the bad guy. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 This is interesting: Hillary Clinton takes responsibility for the Bengazi attacks A couple of things here: 1. In today's 24 hour media cycle does anyone care about Bengazi anymore (or even remember?)2. Does anyone care who takes responsibility (or do they have a preconceived notion of what happened and blame Obama no matter what)3. Is Hillary falling on a sword for Obama to help win re-election?4. Does this signify anything for 2016 (Clinton not running, possibly?)5. What effect does this have on the debate Tuesday? What do you think PBO will say about it? a. does he skirt the issue ultimately laying the blame on Clinton and the State Department or say it was his responsibility Any thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I bet the families of the Americans killed in Bengazi still care. (it was a pretty big deal)I'm not surprised at all that she took the heat the day before the debate on foreign affairs. It seems obvious.... Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 1. Yes, of course.2. Yes, Obama should take responsibility if he has any semblance of a "buck stops here" leadership3. Yes.4. No.5. If PBO doesn't take responsibility off of Hillary's shoulders, it will look really bad. Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 What's interesting about that article is it doesn't really show Clinton finding anything to say as to why it's her fault. She takes responsibility but it doesn't explain what her mistake was. I think there is a ignorance-going-in, hindsight 20/20 element to this story. No one would have allowed for the attack to transpire had they any inkling it was coming. The confusion around the hate video, and the perception that the violence erupted out of protests shows just how confused intelligence was. Yes, security should have been better. It seems all too easy to attribute the lack of defense against some psychopaths to the people in charge after the thing happens. This is exactly why we as Americans are forced to endure the uniform reaction of security measures after an unforeseeable, violent, singularity takes place. People can use this psychological tendency to great political ends. Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Obama’s War Record When Sen. Barack Obama ran for the presidency in 2008 many wishful-thinking Democratic voters viewed him as a peace candidate because he opposed the Iraq war (but voted yes on the war budgets while in the Senate). Some others assumed his foreign/military policy would be along the lines of Presidents George H. W. Bush (whom Obama admires) or Bill Clinton. Some who identified as progressives actually thought his foreign/military policy might tilt to the left. Instead, center rightist that he is, Obama’s foreign/military policy amounted to a virtual continuation of George W. Bush’s Global War on Terrorism under a different name. He extended Bush’s wars to Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and elsewhere while greatly expanding the war in Afghanistan, hiking the military budget, encouraging the growth of militarism in U.S. society by repeatedly heaping excessive praise on the armed forces, and tightening the military encirclement of China. Summing up some of his military accomplishments a few months ago, Obama declared: “We’ve succeeded in defending our nation, taking the fight to our enemies, reducing the number of Americans in harm’s way, and we’ve restored America’s global leadership. That makes us safer and it makes us stronger. And that’s an achievement that every American — especially those Americans who are proud to wear the uniform of the United States Armed Forces — should take great pride in.” Obama actually has little to show for his war policy after nearly four years. Most importantly, Afghanistan — the war he supported with enthusiasm — is predictably blowing up in his face. A symbol of the Bush-Obama 11-year Afghan folly is the recent 2,000th death of an American soldier, not at the hands of the Taliban but a U.S.-trained Afghan police officer, our supposed ally. The truth is that public opinion in Afghanistan has always overwhelmingly opposed the invasion, and rightly so... http://www.globalres...-record/5308209 Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 So then Sparky, how do you feel about Obama's military cuts in contrast to Romney's plan to restore it to its "former glory"? Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 So then Sparky, how do you feel about Obama's military cuts in contrast to Romney's plan to restore it to its "former glory"? Or the fact he got us out Iraq and has a finite plan to get us out of Afghanistan? and from now on I am going to assume that it is safe to skip Sparky's posts because they are boiled down to this: Biden, Ryan, Obama, Romney, Bush = Same Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 So then Sparky, how do you feel about Obama's military cuts in contrast to Romney's plan to restore it to its "former glory"? Do you actually believe that? The cuts are only in the proposed increases not actual cuts if they even do take place. The article speaks for itself. Give Obama another Peace Prize. Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 So Hillary is taking the blame in Bengazi for Obama ....Bill is campaigning for Obama .....is Chelsea babysitting the girls during the debate?Hahaha I keed! I keed! Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 So Hillary is taking the blame in Bengazi for Obama ....Bill is campaigning for Obama .....is Chelsea babysitting the girls during the debate?Hahaha I keed! I keed! Are you just typing words and hoping they will make sense? Or do you have a cogent point to make here? Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Oh I made my point. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Oh I made my point. Since you are refusing to expound or impart any knowledge, I can only surmise your point. I think what you are trying to say is that Hilary Clinton taking responsibility for the Bengazi attack was the right and moral thing to do. It was an Embassy that got attacked and foreign Embassies are the responsibility of the State Department and as head of the State Department, the failure to protect that Embassy falls directly to her. Also the response to the attack came from the State Department, so the White House was using that intel when discussing how and why the attacks occurred. Secondly you see Bill Clinton not only as the elder statesman for the Democratic Party, but really for the US as a whole. It is a great and wonderful thing that he has taken time out of his busy schedule to campaign for PBO. In order to help him gain re-election. Third and most importantly, Chelsea Clinton, not only should baby sit for the Obama's on debate night, she should impart some wisdom on growing up with grace and dignity in a harsh media spot light. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Since you are refusing to expound or impart any knowledge, I can only surmise your point. I think what you are trying to say is that Hilary Clinton taking responsibility for the Bengazi attack was the right and moral thing to do. It was an Embassy that got attacked and foreign Embassies are the responsibility of the State Department and as head of the State Department, the failure to protect that Embassy falls directly to her. Also the response to the attack came from the State Department, so the White House was using that intel when discussing how and why the attacks occurred. Secondly you see Bill Clinton not only as the elder statesman for the Democratic Party, but really for the US as a whole. It is a great and wonderful thing that he has taken time out of his busy schedule to campaign for PBO. In order to help him gain re-election. Third and most importantly, Chelsea Clinton, not only should baby sit for the Obama's on debate night, she should impart some wisdom on growing up with grace and dignity in a harsh media spot light.Well played, sir, well played. Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Would you expect Bill to be campaigning for Romney? Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Thank goodness Obama has the Clintons. Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Thank goodness Obama has the Clintons. Romney has the Bush's, and he's made it a mission to pretend they never existed. Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Romney has the Bush's, and he's made it a mission to pretend they never existed.Good thing he hasn't had to rely on them, eh? Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 So no one wants to talk about Dishwashergate? Yes, photo-ops are staged all the time, but with Paul Ryan's fuzzy relationship with the truth, don't you think you would have wanted to stage a photo-op where he was wanted? Or a heaven forbid actually do some work? Or how about that Paul Ryan is exploiting a group that his policies will severely hurt. Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Romney has the Bush's, and he's made it a mission to pretend they never existed. Oh, you crazy conspiracist... Romney has all the neocons actually, including Bush Sr. His views on war and the military not much different from the current guy, however, despite what liberals want to believe. Just a little more vocal about it. Obama speaks through his actions. Just ask these kids... Admin edit: photo removal. 2:32 p.m. Link to post Share on other sites
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