KevinG Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I don't think Trump is "unhinged", "nuts", "a Fascist", etc. He is very calculating. Trump says things that he doesn't really believe and wouldn't actually do. He has simply hit on what seems to be a winning formula and is both running with it and having fun with it. I am convinced that he and his inner circle sit around after events and appearances drinking scotch and laughing their asses off at what he said and how well it was received. I don't know if that is any better. In fact I that is probably worse. The fact that Trump is sitting there playing on the fear and stupidity of the Republican party and laughing about it. Ugh. Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I think Trump is focused on winning a dis doing and saying what he thinks will get him the victory. That's why he can make outrageous statements like building a wal and having Mexico pay for it, or banning Muslims etc... That's what plays to the base these days. Once the general election is underway I think he will tack to the center. That being said, I still think he is a dangerous candidate. Of course I thought Bush was a bad and dangerous candidate and he got elected 2x. Link to post Share on other sites
Ghost of Electricity Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Of course I thought Bush was a bad and dangerous candidate and he got elected 2x.And you were correct to think that he was bad and dangerous. Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Was listening to XM's POTUS today on the way to work and a Trump adviser was being interview -- mostly talking about trade and such --- gotta admit, the guy was talking with a lot of sense. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Was listening to XM's POTUS today on the way to work and a Trump adviser was being interview -- mostly talking about trade and such --- gotta admit, the guy was talking with a lot of sense. I am sure he did. However, even if Trump and his advisors were the smartest men in the world when it comes to trade, economic policies, etc. there is no way he should be excused for his misogynistic, racist, xenophobic, bullying, hateful remarks. Whether this is just theatre, or he actually believes these things, his rhetoric has no place in society, other to be ridiculed and scorned. People seem to be softening to Trump (and not to say that you are doing this specifically). Brushing off his rhetoric as either a grand joke, saying that he will swing to the center once the GOP nominee, or he makes sense on position X. HIs rhetoric has proven he is dangerous and hateful man and in no way should be the leader of our country. With that being said Romney is blasting Trump on his taxes. By this point in the 2012 election, Mitt and all the other candidates where basically shamed in putting out their taxes. To what end this had on Romney's loss, I don't know, but it was out there and people were not thrilled by the amount of taxes he paid. I do think Romney is right, all the nominees should release their taxes (and Clinton needs to release her speaking fees from large banks). It will give us information on the candidate. I think if Trump releases his taxes we will find out he is not as wealthy as he says he is. Which will put his "can't be bought or sold" line in jeopardy. Or maybe he made some donation to Plan Parenthood, or some other liberal cause. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 This entire election cycle can't end soon enough. Glad the bulk of the primaries are finally around the corner. I am tired of both parties and all the candidates, even the one I plan to vote for. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Only 9 more months, Louie. Think of it as a really painful pregnancy with all the benefits of morning sickness, cramps, fitful and sleepless nights, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I am sure he did. However, even if Trump and his advisors were the smartest men in the world when it comes to trade, economic policies, etc. there is no way he should be excused for his misogynistic, racist, xenophobic, bullying, hateful remarks. Whether this is just theatre, or he actually believes these things, his rhetoric has no place in society, other to be ridiculed and scorned. People seem to be softening to Trump (and not to say that you are doing this specifically). Brushing off his rhetoric as either a grand joke, saying that he will swing to the center once the GOP nominee, or he makes sense on position X. HIs rhetoric has proven he is dangerous and hateful man and in no way should be the leader of our country. With that being said Romney is blasting Trump on his taxes. By this point in the 2012 election, Mitt and all the other candidates where basically shamed in putting out their taxes. To what end this had on Romney's loss, I don't know, but it was out there and people were not thrilled by the amount of taxes he paid. I do think Romney is right, all the nominees should release their taxes (and Clinton needs to release her speaking fees from large banks). It will give us information on the candidate. I think if Trump releases his taxes we will find out he is not as wealthy as he says he is. Which will put his "can't be bought or sold" line in jeopardy. Or maybe he made some donation to Plan Parenthood, or some other liberal cause. They were talking about Romney and Trump's taxes too --- the dude said "it takes a long time to gather all the information" (the standard reply when it comes to this stuff, which always cracks me.) Trump's adviser didn't persuade me in the slightest - but it was a nice, refreshing political interview for once, but POTUS is great place to hear such interviews. Big fan of Tim Farley. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 You got that right. This is super painful. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 You got that right. This is super painful. LouieB No way. This has been the most entertaining and interesting primary in years. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 No way. This has been the most entertaining and interesting primary in years.It's painful to watch the lowest common denominator being massively backed by the same. Link to post Share on other sites
Magnetized Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 This shit stopped being amusing to me a few months ago. Link to post Share on other sites
Doug C Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I still find it all hilarious. It can't be news to everyone that many Americans are idiots. They have just been waiting for someone to unite them. Trump and/or his advisors, are political alchemists because they found a way to appeal to evangelicals, xenophobes, sovereign citizens, conspiracy theorists, the working class, the wealthy, the poor, whites, non-whites, the young, the old, the highly educated, the poorly educated, the sane, the insane, hell, you name the group, he has some supporters among them. Yes, those groups have always had some overlap, but a full on Christian like Cruz or Santorum could never get enough support from non-evangelicals and a Christie or Rubio could never get enough support from committed religious nuts. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 You tossed in "the highly educated" as a joke, right? In other news:http://time.com/4236640/donald-trump-racist-supporters/ Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 You tossed in "the highly educated" as a joke, right? In other news:http://time.com/4236640/donald-trump-racist-supporters/ Also: David Duke: Voting against Trump is 'treason to your heritage'Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/david-duke-trump-219777#ixzz41D1SjLsl Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I saw this poll the other night. One has to wonder how this question was phrased. I mean if they left out the Lincoln and the historical context it is possible (as crazy as it seems) that the respondents were doing the usual "no executive order is justified" routine. But let's be honest, we all know racism is alive and well, and while the left is wringing it's hands over "micro-aggressions", "trigger warnings" and "white privilege", the folks who don't give a shit about these more subtle issues are just flat out bigots and hatemongers. While the left wing debates our issues, the right wing knows we are just a bunch of cranks and idiots. There is probably no way to bridge this divide. On the very rare occasion when I can stomach right wing radio for a few minutes, it becomes clear that the right wing thinks that the left wing is also just a bunch of idiots and bigots in our own right. They hold Barack, Bernie, Hillary and anyone slightly to further left of center as being failures and morons and criminals. Meanwhile even the "establishment" GOP is beginning to get cozy with the idea of Trump being their nominee. At some point it isn't going to matter that they dissed the shit out of him for the past 6 or so months. Meanwhile the left needs to get used to the same idea that Hillary may be the nominee of the left of center crowd, no matter what her faults may be. Because, rest assured, the right thinks she is a commie anyway. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 David Duke - see it doesn't matter. The right wing always comes around to anyone who shades their point of view. Only the left is going to split ideological hairs and stay home. Edit- and one more thing...... While the media continues to say that the millennials are trending Bernie, it seems like the footage from the Trump rallies features quite a few folks from this demographic. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 The Economist/YouGov PollSample 2000 General Population Respondents49. Do you approve or disapprove of the executive order which Freed all slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal government Approve strongly 53%Approve somewhat 17%Disapprove somewhat 8%Disapprove strongly 5%Not sure 17% Speaking of not sure, I'm not sure how that gets translated to "Nearly 20% of Trump Fans Think Freeing the Slaves Was a Bad Idea" Link to post Share on other sites
Doug C Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 You tossed in "the highly educated" as a joke, right? In other news:http://time.com/4236640/donald-trump-racist-supporters/Being highly educated doesn't preclude someone from being an idiot. I'm certain that many Trump supporters have bachelor's, master's and doctoral degrees. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Thanks for posting the actual question. That does muddy the waters a bit I suppose (as I suspected.) Couching it as a states rights issue will catch a lot of people disagreeing with the federal government/executive branch taking action. Of course not understanding that slavery was just flat out wrong seems like a no brainer to most people, but who knows. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
Cam Jones Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 holy crap did you see those grown ass men act that way on national television? jeeeeeesus Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 holy crap did you see those grown ass men act that way on national television? jeeeeeesusI did not see it live only read about it. But then I saw the clips on the news. Jeeeeesus is right. If I was a conservative I would be embarrassed. Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 It was an incredible, hilarious, flaming pile of dog shit. I have to wonder if any of the Trumpers felt rattled when Rubio talked about Donald hiring illegals and his two defenses were: a. It was very hot that summer and hard to get part time help and b. That was a long time ago. Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I guess I'll vote for Rubio as the least objectionable of the three? Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I did not see it live only read about it. But then I saw the clips on the news. Jeeeeesus is right. If I was a conservative I would be embarrassed. I am not a huge fan of Graham - but the below is pretty funny. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/sen-lindsey-graham-jokes-about-gone-bat-crazy-gop-n526306 Link to post Share on other sites
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