chuckrh Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Prayers to victims of last night's shooting. At least 20 dead, 100 injured. Story unfolding now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brownie Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Shocked to wake up to this.... Terrible, terrible news. People are insane. What is a realistic way to protect the audience at an event like this? I can't think of any. I get a chill thinking of all the outdoor concerts I've been to that are in close proximity to very tall buildings - a handful of those just in the past few months. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chuckrh Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 I'm going down there in a few weeks. Was going to stay at Mandalay but it was booked up. The shows I'm going to are smaller & indoors. It's still frightening. I'm looking at footage of places I have walked several times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Shocked to wake up to this.... Terrible, terrible news. People are insane. What is a realistic way to protect the audience at an event like this? I can't think of any. We can keep the victims in our thoughts and prayers and then forget about it in 3 days time, until the next mass shooting. This is the only thing our country is willing to do. Any other realistic solution is too hard, complicated and results in yelling and peoples feeling's getting hurt. Wash, rinse, repeat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 We can keep the victims in our thoughts and prayers and then forget about it in 3 days time, until the next mass shooting. This is the only thing our country is willing to do. Any other realistic solution is too hard, complicated and results in yelling and peoples feeling's getting hurt. Wash, rinse, repeat. "Too soon" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kidsmoke Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 I am heartbroken today. Having a very hard time keeping the faith and forging ahead. Will this finally be the attack that jolts our government into addressing our gun issues? The shooter had no trouble at all buying these massively destructive guns. These aren't the sort a person needs for hunting (unless it's humans) or for personal safety. GOD DAMN the NRA. Put on some Tom Petty, loud, and let yourself cry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dagwave Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 well said.what a horrific event. God Bless, just, God Bless, man. Free-Fallin indeed. goodness gracious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brownie Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 We can keep the victims in our thoughts and prayers and then forget about it in 3 days time, until the next mass shooting. This is the only thing our country is willing to do. Any other realistic solution is too hard, complicated and results in yelling and peoples feeling's getting hurt. Wash, rinse, repeat. I hear ya and totally agree. But what is realistically going to change at this moment in time, especially with Trump as our president? If nothing changed after 6-year-olds were killed at Sandy Hook school, I don't see anything changing now. Ban guns! I am a lone voice and don't know how to change things. I continue to vote for those who support such issues but they don't win in my voting district. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kidsmoke Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Keep doing it though. Hearts and minds can change. Sometimes it takes just one pivotal event...maybe the LV shootings will finally be that breakthrough to many. This is me, being hopeful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chisoxjtrain Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Keep doing it though. Hearts and minds can change. Sometimes it takes just one pivotal event...maybe the LV shootings will finally be that breakthrough to many. This is me, being hopeful. If Sandy Hook and killing children didn't do it, I doubt this will. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kidsmoke Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 But that's just it...I think Sandy Hook DID have an effect, did change some minds. It's a shame some people are so intractible, there are some minds that no amount of reason will change. We all know some of these people.But as more and more "undecided" fence-sitters wake up to the realities of our current gun state, I think we can eventually arrive at a groundswell of opposition that yields results. It won't be easy, and probably not quick, but there's no other sane approach but to keep resisting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magnetized Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 A young lady who’s a friend of big Wilco fans Jimmy and Liz McGuirl was seriously injured in the Las Vegas shooting. A friend has set up a GoFundMe page for her here: https://www.gofundme.com/allisons-recovery-fund. If you read past the first page you’ll see Allison’s post about her experiences. Somehow it makes it all more real and relatable when you read a first person account. Allison’s injuries to her arm were serious and have already required 2 surgeries with more to come, and her boyfriend was less seriously injured with shrapnel wounds he received while trying to protect her. Allison is a traveling nurse who grew up in Virginia Beavch and graduated from the University of Virginia nursing program. I’ll be staying with Jimmy and Liz the night of the Asheville show and am hoping we hear encouraging news from Allison by then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 But that's just it...I think Sandy Hook DID have an effect, did change some minds. It's a shame some people are so intractible, there are some minds that no amount of reason will change. We all know some of these people.Most of these people are in congress, the only place where real change can occur on this topic. As long as the NRA is still a lobbying arm for the gun manufacturers we will never have meaningful gun legislation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chisoxjtrain Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I believe Congress is going to be voting on 2 horrendous gun bills this week, one of which makes it easier to obtain silencers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chuckrh Posted October 3, 2017 Author Share Posted October 3, 2017 I believe Congress is going to be voting on 2 horrendous gun bills this week, one of which makes it easier to obtain silencers.wouldn't want to startle the deer.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 "Too soon" No. It's the perfect time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sonicshoulder Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 The media could do the world a huge favor and stop romanticizing these murderers. They just crowned this asshole the most successful mass murderer in American history. Now there are a couple hundred other lunatics thinking records are made to be broken. Obviously in today's world the identity will eventually get out but they could do away with the pictures and "Who is Stephen Paddock ?" headlines. I am sure all the hour news shows will have a full biography on him this week. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Couple of things... I believe that the R’s are going to table the silencer/armor piercing ammo bill for the time being. Also gun manufacturers stock prices are up today, so that tells you where wall streets bets are. After shootings like this the same things happen over and over...the guns used in the murders see a surge in sales. People call for unity and say don’t discuss legislation, it’s too soon, respect the dead etc... We hear tales of sorrow, of heroism, live shattered etc.,. The story moved to page two, then three, then four etc... we hear that it’s not the guns fault, that the shooter was mentally ill or a Muslim or black. The voices advocating sensible gun laws slowly fade or get drowned out . We find that x% of gun owners favor such laws. Then the congress either does nothing or weakens the laws. Soon we’ll have another shooting and start the process all over again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NoJ Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Call your congressman and senators and demand something be done. Start with voting no on the silencer bill that's coming up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 No. It's the perfect time. I think your sarcasm detector might need new batteries... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I think your sarcasm detector might need new batteries... You are correct about that. In my defense, it's difficult to read that as sarcasm when it's the default position taken by far too many people after these killings. But I suppose in a way that was your point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 The media could do the world a huge favor and stop romanticizing these murderers. They just crowned this asshole the most successful mass murderer in American history. Now there are a couple hundred other lunatics thinking records are made to be broken. Obviously in today's world the identity will eventually get out but they could do away with the pictures and "Who is Stephen Paddock ?" headlines. I am sure all the hour news shows will have a full biography on him this week. I've often thought about this in similar situations and I agree and disagree at the same time. Are the media supposed to not report who was responsible and do a background check on the person? Wouldn't the public demand to know?! Should the media just try to ignore the person responsible like MLB and other major sports have finally done when an asshole runs onto the field? There are biographies on Bundy and Dahmer and the Texas Tower guy and every other lunatic that has caused major chaos like this. Reported as to the number and the relation to other mass murders? Yeah, could probably be omitted. It's really not that hard to piece together, though, whether your an interested/concerned average Joe or a mass rampage lunatic in the making. I think the "blame" (besides, obviously, the troubled dude who did it who we will, most of us, forget his name in a week or two) falls more on the politicians and the difficulty in attaining/affording mental health care, more so than the media reporting facts. I'm not so sure that reporting the death count in relation to other similar horrific events and giving a background into the deranged killer is necessarily "romanticizing" the event, I guess. ed. I just saw this, from my local media, btw (a"biography" on each of the victims in the shootings). There is balance in the mediahttp://www.9news.com/news/nation-world/victims-identified-las-vegas-shooting/480170042 ed. pt. 2. Not to beat this thing down, but another balanced piece from a local media source that highlights the good that can emerge from tragedy rather than mere body counts/profilie on the killer:http://www.denverpost.com/2017/10/04/thornton-middle-school-principal-wounded-las-vegas/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Chicago police investigating reports that Las Vegas gunman booked hotel rooms overlooking Lollapalooza Christ. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Chicago police investigating reports that Las Vegas gunman booked hotel rooms overlooking Lollapalooza Christ.I read another story yesterday that he also rented out a condo that overlooked another Vegas music fest earlier this summer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chuckrh Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 I read another story yesterday that he also rented out a condo that overlooked another Vegas music fest earlier this summer. THe Life is Beautiful festival. Downtown LV. that's the rumour anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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