jff Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Many polls show Americans want to hear from witnesses in the impeachment trial. Please consider calling your senators 202-225-3121. An interesting take on this from Heather Cox Richardson's daily blog (which I will say once again, EVERYONE should be reading daily): Indeed, a very smart lawyer I follow on Twitter (but whose account is locked and he had not given permission to name him, so for now let’s leave him anonymous) observed this morning that perhaps even the few GOP Senators who would like to hear witnesses and see documents don't dare to demand them because they are afraid Trump will refuse even them, thus illustrating that they are powerless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 An interesting take on this from Heather Cox Richardson's daily blog (which I will say once again, EVERYONE should be reading daily): Indeed, a very smart lawyer I follow on Twitter (but whose account is locked and he had not given permission to name him, so for now let’s leave him anonymous) observed this morning that perhaps even the few GOP Senators who would like to hear witnesses and see documents don't dare to demand them because they are afraid Trump will refuse even them, thus illustrating that they are powerless. I'm sure this is very true, but when the votes start, alphabetically, and say a Lamar Alexander, whom is retiring at the end of the year, start voting yes, the flood gates could open. As pessimistic as I am on most days, senators need to hear our voices. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I'm sure this is very true, but when the votes start, alphabetically, and say a Lamar Alexander, whom is retiring at the end of the year, start voting yes, the flood gates could open. As pessimistic as I am on most days, senators need to hear our voices. I agree and hope you're right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I agree and hope you're right.Even if senators vote against impeachment, I really hope we can get the witnesses. Everyone, please pass this number along. 202-225-3121 - the prompts take you through everything and you can leave a voice message or talk to a live congressional staff member. I only give them my first name and zip code and tell them I will not give an address because I do not want political advertisements in my mailbox. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 If you didn't have a chance to watch the closing of the impeachment hearings today, Thursday 1/23, please watch at least the last 10 minutes to see how eloquent Adam Schiff was...all while Ted Cruz and Marsha Blackburn showed us what a true disgrace they are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beltmann Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Heather Cox Richardson's daily blog (which I will say once again, EVERYONE should be reading daily): Agreed! I eagerly anticipate her posts every single day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 please watch at least the last 10 minutes to see how eloquent Adam Schiff was...all while Ted Cruz and Marsha Blackburn showed us what a true disgrace they are. He's really so good. I've been listening on public radio to and from work..... some really incoherent yelling Republicans (and a few sloppy Democrats too) have taken the podium in both the House and now the Senate steps of the process. He's so clear, and calm, and focused. If I say Atticus Finch-esque is that too much? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 He's really so good. I've been listening on public radio to and from work..... some really incoherent yelling Republicans (and a few sloppy Democrats too) have taken the podium in both the House and now the Senate steps of the process. He's so clear, and calm, and focused. If I say Atticus Finch-esque is that too much? Not even slightly. Since I mentioned Heather Cox Richardson... Atticus Finch is the parallel she drew from yesterday's hearing: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 It's always about the money. Follow the money and the truth will eventually come out. Take the time to go to the Forensic News web site. The main street media has avoided this now for 3 weeks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 You may consider that what we've seen so far is just "going through the motions", a hiccup in the inevitable. In the back of mind I can't escape that feeling. But at the end of the day (in my view) the House managers have done about the best they could do so far, given the paucity of cooperation from the WH. I could pick apart stuff where I thought they may have acquiesced to 'decorum' - whatever the fuck that means in 2020 - and not went with more vehemence, but that might have not have helped their case. It might have made for more of a spectacle in what should ideally be a dreadfully serious matter. No matter. I think that, if nothing else, they can say, "We didn't abdicate our responsibility. We tried to do what we were elected to do. We know the majority agrees with what we are trying to do". Hakeem, Zoe, everyone gave cogent, rational testimony. But Schiff REALLY made me proud. He left no stone unturned, and not only that he's already gave fantastic rebuttles to every point the other side might make tomorrow and from here on. It was fucking masterful. Cheers, Adam, for the work you do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
remphish1 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Now that it’s the republicans turn how many times will we hear Hillary Clinton, Obama and Biden! Nothing about trumps actions though and no mention of conspiring with Ukraine it’s all conspiracy theories and fox talking points. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Welp... That's that then. Buckle in for Trump's second term. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Current feeling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtVyl402W5s Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 A good day for the new DBT release. Thoughts and Prayers When the carnage was over you could hear the cellphones ringingYou could smell gunpowder in the airAnd on the bloody ground the LEDs were blinkingDeliver us from evil, thoughts and prayersThey're lined up on the playground, their hands all in the airSee it on our news feed and we cry out in despairThey're counting up the casualties, everyone's choosing sidesThere's always someone to blame, never anywhere to hideThoughts and prayersThoughts and prayersThis white noise in my head, I think I need a filterA pressure valve to keep from blowing upAnd when the shit comes down I pray I can rise above itHold me closer when I've had enoughThoughts and prayersThoughts and prayersGlory, hallelujahYou are in our thoughts and prayersGlory, hallelujahYou… Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 And as more revelations come out of the Bolton book (like the one today that Trump contacted him about Ukraine in May), be prepared for widespread dismissal of it all as just Bolton "trying to sell his book." If only there was a way to get him to tell his story under oath, under penalty of perjury... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 And as more revelations come out of the Bolton book (like the one today that Trump contacted him about Ukraine in May), be prepared for widespread dismissal of it all as just Bolton "trying to sell his book." If only there was a way to get him to tell his story under oath, under penalty of perjury... He's trying to sell a book, and their latest (pretty god damn clever, I have to hand it to them) strategy is to tank his book sales. Their new line is "We know Trump is guilty. The House proved it. But we still oppose a conviction and whatever Bolton has to say in testimony or in print doesn't matter, so there's no point buying his book." Bolton is and always has been utter shit. He had a chance to talk and chose to hide behind a rock instead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 And as more revelations come out of the Bolton book (like the one today that Trump contacted him about Ukraine in May), be prepared for widespread dismissal of it all as just Bolton "trying to sell his book." If only there was a way to get him to tell his story under oath, under penalty of perjury...Well seriously, fuck Bolton. He's had all the time in the world to come forward and act upon any remaining integrity he might have. He could have said something when it happened. He could have said something when the whistle blower's report came out. He could have said something after he was fired. He could have testified in front of the House. He didn't. And, he's got a book to sell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chez Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I've been a litigator for over 35 years and have tried dozens of cases. I've never heard of a "trial" without witnesses or evidence. I hope there are consequences for this sham. For this traves-sham-mockery. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
remphish1 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Thanks republicans for selling American down the river! All of them are traitors! If they called for witnesses then made up their mind I would maybe understand. The arguments of why they are blocking witnesses are rediculous! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 And to come out with these statements BEFORE the witness arguments even started is appalling. It shows they had their minds made up before it even started. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chez Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Not sure I can stomach watching Jay Sekulow taking a victory lap. Truth be told, a poodle could have replaced Sekulow and obtained the same result. The cake was baked. The deck was stacked. Etc. I need to go listen to the new DBT record. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 I've been a litigator for over 35 years and have tried dozens of cases. I've never heard of a "trial" without witnesses or evidence. I hope there are consequences for this sham. For this traves-sham-mockery. You'd think some Senators will be in the hot seat having been on the record as voting against witnesses in a trial. They've really diminished their office, and I don't mean in the moral way you guys are already right about. If Congress votes to allocate funds and the President ignores it without explanation, that's diminished the Legislative branch. I wonder if these Senators feel comfortable with their actions being a precedent, should the Dems ever have an Executive who plays dirty and gets caught. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I wonder if these Senators feel comfortable with their actions being a precedent, should the Dems ever have an Executive who plays dirty and gets caught. That's not a concern for them. One thing Republicans are good at is imposing rules and standards on the Democrats that they themselves are not beholden to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
remphish1 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Was just thinking how come no one is brining the republican senators to change their vote for Wednesday? Bribery is no longer illegal and no one will be held accountable so might as well go for it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 That's not a concern for them. One thing Republicans are good at is imposing rules and standards on the Democrats that they themselves are not beholden to. And to be fair, Democrats are good at enforcing rules upon themselves that Republicans have happily ignored. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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