parisisstale Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 The AL East better be tied at the top by the end of my birthday. You'll probably get your wish. Damn Angels!!! The Yankees never beat them. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Yeah, Todd Jones plays for my team, but I still think that this guy is a complete moron. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 15, 2006 Author Share Posted August 15, 2006 Yeah, Todd Jones plays for my team, but I still think that this guy is a complete moron. wow... He was so much better last season. He's been pretty bad this season. Damn bro. The in my initial post (I thought) implied/inferred that a joke was being made. But in fairness, maybe part of the reason he has lost money the last few years is because its hard to build a loyal fanbase when you build mercenary teams to win a world series and then ship them out? Or when you develop future stars like Josh Beckett and then get rid of them? I know I wouldnt want to be a fan of a team like that. Of course, since I am a Mets fan, I dont have to be -- whenever they go to play the Marlins you can hear the Lets Go Mets chants in the stands. Its pretty great actually. I hope Lauria (sp?) keeps it up. A Mets fan criticizing other teams fans about having a mercenary team. Thats almost laughable. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 wow... He was so much better last season. He's been pretty bad this season. Oh, he was way better last year, but even last year he wasn't close to being a serious Cy Young candidate. And this year he's been mostly terrible. The idea of giving the Cy Young Award to a reliever who's ERA is almost 5.00 might be the dumbest I've ever heard in relation to baseball. I can't believe this guy gets paid to write about sports. Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Now I'm all worried about Pedro's Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 wow...A Mets fan criticizing other teams fans about having a mercenary team. Thats almost laughable. No, I was pointing out why your team is losing money -- which I thought was your central point. Every team has to pay players to win. The Mets pay more than most. I wasnt arguing otherwise. I was suggesting that I wouldnt want to be a fan of a team that builds teams for one year and then breaks them down. The fact that you insist on defending the Marlins given how poorly they have treated their fans is laudable, but laughable. I know the Marlins have 2 championships since they have been around to zero for the Mets. But I just wouldn't want to be a fan of a team that breaks down whenever they get good. And I would bet that's why I hear Lets Go Mets chants when the Mets play in Florida. Most people dont want to be fans of a team like that either. Good for you if you are ok with that. You have 2 championships for your heartache. But I just aint buying your ridiculous position that "Jeff Lauria is a fan of the team and he is losing money because he is rich but not as rich as other owners." Build a competitive team, show your fans you care, and you wont lose money. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I'm sure it hurts to see winning teams dismantled, but as someone who's team last won a World Series when I was two years old, I think I would happily take a championship team that was dismantled the next year over a team that never wins a championship. There are a lot of teams who have gone way longer than that without a championship and I'm sure those fans feel the same way. The reason there are "Let's Go Mets" chants when the Mets play in Florida is because there are a shit ton of New Yorkers who live in southern Florida. Simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 15, 2006 Author Share Posted August 15, 2006 No, I was pointing out why your team is losing money -- which I thought was your central point. Every team has to pay players to win. The Mets pay more than most. I wasnt arguing otherwise. I was suggesting that I wouldnt want to be a fan of a team that builds teams for one year and then breaks them down. The fact that you insist on defending the Marlins given how poorly they have treated their fans is laudable, but laughable. I know the Marlins have 2 championships since they have been around to zero for the Mets. But I just wouldn't want to be a fan of a team that breaks down whenever they get good. And I would bet that's why I hear Lets Go Mets chants when the Mets play in Florida. Most people dont want to be fans of a team like that either. Good for you if you are ok with that. You have 2 championships for your heartache. But I just aint buying your ridiculous position that "Jeff Lauria is a fan of the team and he is losing money because he is rich but not as rich as other owners." Build a competitive team, show your fans you care, and you wont lose money. The Marlins have set franchise records for payroll each of the previous three seasons before this, and either signed or traded for fairly big names and the fans still showed up less than Pirates and Royals fans. I think the problem, and anyone who has been to a Marlins game would agree, is that it is just too uncomfortable in that stadium to watch baseball. It is always too hot, the threat of rain is pretty constant, and the seats are terrible for baseball. Besides the fact that the stadium is out in the middle of nowhere (really, there's nothing around it), and it's difficult to get families to come out for 5 or 6 innings before they just get sick of it and leave. Plus, the reason you have "Lets Go Mets" chants at the games is because there are so many transplanted New Yorkers and bandwagon fans, and the Mets fans are assholes who come to the games to get drunk, yell, start fights, throw shit on the field, and just generally make it an unpleasant experience for everyone else there. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 The reason there are "Let's Go Mets" chants when the Mets play in Florida is because there are a shit ton of New Yorkers who live in southern Florida. Simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 The Marlins have set franchise records for payroll each of the previous three seasons before this, and either signed or traded for fairly big names and the fans still showed up less than Pirates and Royals fans. I think the problem, and anyone who has been to a Marlins game would agree, is that it is just too uncomfortable in that stadium to watch baseball. It is always too hot, the threat of rain is pretty constant, and the seats are terrible for baseball. Besides the fact that the stadium is out in the middle of nowhere (really, there's nothing around it), and it's difficult to get families to come out for 5 or 6 innings before they just get sick of it and leave. Plus, the reason you have "Lets Go Mets" chants at the games is because there are so many transplanted New Yorkers and bandwagon fans, and the Mets fans are assholes who come to the games to get drunk, yell, start fights, throw shit on the field, and just generally make it an unpleasant experience for everyone else there. I can agree with all of this. My only caveat would be that Marlins fans would drown out the Mets fans if more of them went to the games. Its not just that there are so many ny'ers in florida. But that certainly is a very very big reason. And for the record, I would never go to an opposing team's stadium and do that. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 It sucks that Placido Polanco is out now, but I must say, it was pretty exciting seeing the highlight of Pudge making the play running down that fly ball while playing second base. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 It sucks that Placido Polanco is out now, but I must say, it was pretty exciting seeing the highlight of Pudge making the play running down that fly ball while playing second base. Woah. What? Pudge played 2nd? Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Yep. Polanco got hurt late in the game. The normal backup second baseman is Omar Infante, who had started the game playing thirdbase. But by the time of that injury, Infante had already been pulled for Inge. So they brought in Vance Wilson to catch and moved Pudge to second. It was only for an inning or two. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 How the Christ they called the batted ball (from Craig Monroe) that was misplayed by Wily Mo Pena in the seventh a hit is beyond me. He was under the ball and it hit the side of his glove and dropped to the ground, allowing the batter to reach base and the runner on third to score. On what planet is that not an error? I say this because it was a bullshit call, and not only because I have Mike Timlin on my fantasy team. Link to post Share on other sites
parisisstale Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 How the Christ they called the batted ball (from Craig Monroe) that was misplayed by Wily Mo Pena in the seventh a hit is beyond me. He was under the ball and it hit the side of his glove and dropped to the ground, allowing the batter to reach base and the runner on third to score. On what planet is that not an error? I say this because it was a bullshit call, and not only because I have Mike Timlin on my fantasy team. Definitely an E9, but beautiful nonetheless. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I think the official scorer there gives a lot of slack for fielders dealing with that tiny foul territory. But that's a great example of why the error stat is so meaningless. It's completely a judgement call. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 He probably would not have gotten the throw to the plate in time anyway, had he caught it. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I realize his momentum was carrying him toward the stands, but he was 20 yards behind first base! Regardless of whether or not the run was going to score (hardly a foregone conclusion, IMO), his misplay allowed Craig Monroe to reach base. Seems pretty fundamental to me. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I realize his momentum was carrying him toward the stands, but he was 20 yards behind first base! Regardless of whether or not the run was going to score (hardly a foregone conclusion, IMO), his misplay allowed Craig Monroe to reach base. Seems pretty fundamental to me.But the basis for it being called a hit by the official scorer is that even if WMP had caught the ball, the runner on third would most likely have scored. The benefit of the doubt always goes to the batter, too. Also, WMP gets credit for a put-out for nailing Monroe off first base. BTW, had Monroe not given up half-way down the baseline to 1st he'd probably have made it to 2nd base, but certainly would not have rounded 1st too far to make up for his jog to 1st. Polanco is out for the season with a separated shoulder. Too bad, it was a helluva catch. The Red Sox look atrocious these days. The pitching from the bullpen is horrible and there is little offense. Not a good time of the year to shit the bed, especially with a 5 game series this weekend (and Monday) against the red-hot Yankees. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 But the basis for it being called a hit by the official scorer is that even if WMP had caught the ball, the runner on third would most likely have scored. The benefit of the doubt always goes to the batter, too. Also, WMP gets credit for a put-out for nailing Monroe off first base. BTW, had Monroe not given up half-way down the baseline to 1st he'd probably have made it to 2nd base, but certainly would not have rounded 1st too far to make up for his jog to 1st. The basis for calling it an error should be that if Wily Mo had played it cleanly, the batter would have been out. That the runner on third would have probably scored is debatable, and can be used in a discussion of whether or not to credit Monroe with an RBI, but has no bearing on whether or not he got a hit on the play. Personally, I don't think the runner would have scored, as Pena was very shallow with his momentum carrying him towards home plate, if slightly obliquely. Regardless, it was called how it was called, and it really doesn't matter whether it was a hit or an error or a wild pitch or a stolen base, because the run DID score. Link to post Share on other sites
Reni Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 this all reminds me......when I worked at a Dick Blick Art Supply in college, we used to play baseball in the store with a model magic clay ball and poster tube bats.....the huge Prismacolor stand was named "Polanco" and stole many good base hits from me....... Rest easy Placido!! See you next year! Link to post Share on other sites
darkstar Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 But the basis for it being called a hit by the official scorer is that even if WMP had caught the ball, the runner on third would most likely have scored. The benefit of the doubt always goes to the batter, too. Also, WMP gets credit for a put-out for nailing Monroe off first base. BTW, had Monroe not given up half-way down the baseline to 1st he'd probably have made it to 2nd base, but certainly would not have rounded 1st too far to make up for his jog to 1st. Polanco is out for the season with a separated shoulder. Too bad, it was a helluva catch. The Red Sox look atrocious these days. The pitching from the bullpen is horrible and there is little offense. Not a good time of the year to shit the bed, especially with a 5 game series this weekend (and Monday) against the red-hot Yankees. Amen brother. It's slowly slipping away. All of a sudden they can't hit, they have shitty pitching, and the bullpen? Pappelbon is looking very human and Tavares/Seanez....what the fuck?. Sox should have put the Yankees down 10-12 games before the break but sadly did not. Gonna be an interesting 5 games coming up with them this weekend. Of course you never know a sox sweep (yeah right) and this thing is right back. I think they have peaked though, there is no depth.......I'm not giving up yet but damn they are playing so sloppy. There just doesn't seem to be any sense of urgency with them. I read the papers and see the highlights on ESPN and all of them are like "well that's baseball...blah blah blah". I'd like to see some frigging fire or something you know?. They just seem dis-interested to me. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 The Red Sox have no depth and no pitching? Shocker! Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 we keep on trying The Toronto Blue Jays traded reliever Scott Schoeneweis to the Cincinnati Reds on Wednesday for a player to be named later. Link to post Share on other sites
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