More on the "controversy"

[Dan-O]

Pretty arguable whether or not health care is charity. Some might say it's a basic human right, but hey, what do they know?

This goes against one very basic principle... something can't be a basic human right if it requires forcing another individual to provide it.

[MattZ]

something can't be a basic human right if it requires forcing another individual to provide it.

 

Says who?

[Sir Stewart]

Thank you.

[Good Old Neon]

Really? He encouraged charity, sure. But did he use government to force individuals to be charitable? Big difference.

 

Well, let

[honestgabe]

Of course its about beliefs. If they truly believe in the NRA agenda then I would have a problem. But there is nothing wrong in believing VW. If I could I would so own a VW Rabbit or Golf GTI.

[GeckoRlz]

You're surely right. You are a man or woman of reason. I need to lighten up. It's just I like having my illusions. We all need them, you know.

 

you know, you left out a crucial element in your story - how you came to be convinced by your professors argument.

 

Why is it that in our culture recognizing ideals of youth as illusions or unrealistic fantasies is considered a necessary part of the "growing-up process"? We thus abandon what we instinctually feel is right to arguments of reason that are never entirely convincing... and the quality of our culture/world continues to deteriorate.

 

until they brand Nike on the inside of your eyeballs or your significant others good parts, you can choose to physically structure your life outside it's reach or learn to shut it out. we're all involved in this scenario and while some people in the equation have more power than others...

 

And how much longer do you think THAT will take? Do you really want to play god of the gaps with humanity?! You admit you don't like these things, and your best advice is AVOIDANCE?! I really do hope one day people will grow tired of allowing themselves to be backed into corners as everything they value disappears/is replaced.

[hawthorne]

what does "n.p. Kicking Television" at the bottom of that release mean?

[peqger]

Hey, nice marmot!

[Good Old Neon]

you know, you left out a crucial element in your story - how you came to be convinced by your professors argument.

 

Why is it that in our culture recognizing ideals of youth as illusions or unrealistic fantasies is considered a necessary part of the "growing-up process"? We thus abandon what we instinctually feel is right to arguments of reason that are never entirely convincing... and the quality of our culture/world continues to deteriorate.

 

If their was a donkey present, you would have pinned it on the ass.

 

Bingo.

[MrRain422]

If the last 6 years of government haven't taught you the need for using reason over living in a fantasy world, then you may be beyond help.

[ms. yvon]

n.p.=now playing

 

[caliber66]

you know, you left out a crucial element in your story - how you came to be convinced by your professors argument.

 

Why is it that in our culture recognizing ideals of youth as illusions or unrealistic fantasies is considered a necessary part of the "growing-up process"? We thus abandon what we instinctually feel is right to arguments of reason that are never entirely convincing... and the quality of our culture/world continues to deteriorate.

What you say is "instinctual" is not instictive at all, but rather learned. Just because someone teaches you something in your youth doesn't mean it's right - but it doesn't mean it's wrong either. Hang onto your ideals if you feel you must.

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

The greatest lost track of all time:

The Late Greats' "Turpentine"

You can't hear it on the radio

You can't hear it anywhere you go

 

The best band will never get signed

K-Settes starring Butcher's Blind

Are so good, you won't ever know

They never even played a show

You can't hear 'em on the radio

 

The greatest singer in rock and roll

Would have to be Romeo

His vocal chords are made of gold

He just looks a little too old

 

The greatest lost track of all time:

The Late Greats' "Turpentine"

I can't hear it on the radio

I don't hear it anywhere I go

 

The best song will never get sung

The best life never leaves your lungs

So good, you won't ever know

I never hear it on the radio

Can't hear it on the radio

[JUDE]

Hang onto your ideals if you feel you must.

 

 

condescending

[GeckoRlz]

If the last 6 years of government haven't taught you the need for using reason over living in a fantasy world, then you may be beyond help.

 

Oh, I thought it was abandoning our morals and ideals for knee-jerk arguements with poor evidence that constituted retreating to the fantasy world in the first place. My bad.

[caliber66]

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[EL the Famous]

It's not about hate - it's about beliefs. I bet you people would react differently if they were doing commercials for the NRA or NASCAR or some such thing.

 

NRA, yes...because it is a lobbyist group w/ a more political agenda, an agenda I don't subscribe to and that can affect my/my family's personal safety. NASCAR, no...because while I find it insanely boring, it doesn't infringe on my core beliefs...outside of the one that auto racing that doesn't involve cars that shoot lasers is insanely boring.

 

Apples to oranges.

[unclepunk]

Hello,

 

I just wanted to make sure that a post on here made one thing clear: Wilco has sold out. None of their music or ideas can be trusted from now on because they used their art to sell some other completely different product. Jeff used to be in a punk band--now he's given up all the ethics that come along with that.

 

Capitalist.

 

You should be ashamed.

 

Sincerely,

 

An ex-fan

[Dan-O]

Says who?

Says the individuals that wrote the documents this country was founded on for starters. You have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That goes for others as well. Your rights end where theirs begin. You do not have the right to force them to do something as it infringes on their right to liberty. So, again, nothing can be a basic human right if it requires someone else to provide it.

[owl]

I can't tell whether you're serious, or being tongue-in-cheek-pseudo-whiny.

 

Either way, you might want to check out some of the other threads that touch upon this topic.

[embiggen]

christ.

[Sir Stewart]

Don't make me go analogman and go back in the archives to find where I posted that months and months ago...and I stole it from the Beastie Boys message board. Bit protection.

less important

[Wendy]

Thanks for stopping by!

[unclepunk]

I can't tell whether you're serious, or being tongue-in-cheek-pseudo-whiny.

 

I am completely serious.

[Dan-O]

Taking care of each other helps to hasten our evolution towards a kinder, more compassionate society.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not a ruthless uncaring guy. I agree that we need to take care of each other. I just don't think we need government interference to do it. When you look at history, I can't think of a single thing the government has ever done better or more efficiently than private individuals have. Health care, in my opinion, is way too important to hand over to the government.