Shakespeare In The Alley Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 On the subject of his cause of death, when a press release says, "... from complications due to surgery" and does not specify what kind of surgery, it was usually cosmetic.I find it hard to believe that Jay, already struggling to pay for a much needed surgery, would get cosmetic surgery. Especially considering he's a musician. Not a field where cosmetic surgery is necessary to stay around. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
H to the ickle Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 I find it hard to believe that Jay, already struggling to pay for a much needed surgery, would get cosmetic surgery. Especially considering he's a musician. Not a field where cosmetic surgery is necessary to stay around. It just seems like if it was something else, they'd be more specific and sanctimonious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shakespeare In The Alley Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 It just seems like if it was something else, they'd be more specific and sanctimonious.Or maybe the exact cause of death hasn't been concluded yet? "Complications from surgery" is a pretty generic explanation in death stories. I think the surgery complications thing could have been an assumption. But I remember someone saying he did have the hip surgery, so if it's complications from surgery...it would be from that. I just don't see any reason whatsoever why Jay would have had cosmetic surgery recently. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Or maybe the exact cause of death hasn't been concluded yet? "Complications from surgery" is a pretty generic explanation in death stories. I think the surgery complications thing could have been an assumption. But I remember someone saying he did have the hip surgery, so if it's complications from surgery...it would be from that. I just don't see any reason whatsoever why Jay would have had cosmetic surgery recently. Where has this complication from surgery line come from? I don't think there has been any cause given what so ever. From what I know he was gonna have surgery, and he did not obviously. All reports are he died peacefully at home, generally one does not die from complications from surgery at home. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shakespeare In The Alley Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Where has this complication from surgery line come from? I don't think there has been any cause given what so ever. From what I know he was gonna have surgery, and he did not obviously. All reports are he died peacefully at home, generally one does not die from complications from surgery at home.I guess the complications thing may have been one of the early reports that was never confirmed. I'm pretty certain I remember somebody saying he did have the hip operation, but I could be wrong. And I probably am. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Somebody who knows Jay (more than one, even, perhaps) did say that he had had the surgery already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Don't know how to search for specific link on the new board, not that I knew how to do it on the old. A friend passed this on to me and I hadn't seen it, thought some of you might appreciate it if it had not already been posted. Will Johnson on JayReally nice.....thanks. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shakespeare In The Alley Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Somebody who knows Jay (more than one, even, perhaps) did say that he had had the surgery already.OK, so I really did read that. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Golden Smoghead Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 RIP Jay. You will be missed more than you could know, like you were loved more than you knew. Travel safely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undertowmusic Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Jay did not have the hip surgery or any other surgery.So any speculation about complications from surgery are completely false.The first person who posted in this thread said "supposedly OD"Very disappointing to read this since there is no way possible this person had any factual info to make such a claim.Please let the man rest in peace and show his family some respect by not spreading false info, rumors and speculation.We all suffered a great loss. Let's leave it at that.Thank you.Bob Andrews / Undertow Music Collective Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Thank you for posting the information. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yankhotelfox Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Is it known yet how Jay died? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aricandover Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Is it known yet how Jay died? in his sleep Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrs. henry Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 sad...rip jay Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Barbarino Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Love and miss you Jay... Take this airline planeIt'll take you home againTo your home behind the skies . XO, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Is it known yet how Jay died?See Bob Andrews post and let it go. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I will be the first to admit that it may be completely inappropriate to be interested in how/why Jay died. But there are a lot of people here who cared deeply about a lot of the things that Jay did in his life. And many of those folks are struggling with how/why someone as young as Jay could just pass away in his sleep. That doesn't mean that they have the right to an answer, but I can understand why folks are asking. Life doesn't make sense and that's hard to accept. An answer to the question will not make life easier to understand, but I know why people are asking. I don't think it shows disrespect to Jay or his memory, but maybe I am wrong. Some people (inappropriately?) feel as if a friend they never met passed away. I just can't get upset about people looking for answers. This is, of course, completely different than people posting rumors or misinformation which is disgusting and offensive. Thanks Bob, for clearing up the misinformation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I will be the first to admit that it may be completely inappropriate to be interested in how/why Jay died. But there are a lot of people here who cared deeply about a lot of the things that Jay did in his life. And many of those folks are struggling with how/why someone as young as Jay could just pass away in his sleep. That doesn't mean that they have the right to an answer, but I can understand why folks are asking. Life doesn't make sense and that's hard to accept. An answer to the question will not make life easier to understand, but I know why people are asking. I don't think it shows disrespect to Jay or his memory, but maybe I am wrong. Some people (inappropriately?) feel as if a friend they never met passed away. I just can't get upset about people looking for answers. This is, of course, completely different than people posting rumors or misinformation which is disgusting and offensive. Thanks Bob, for clearing up the misinformation.Nicely put. I'd like to think that I'm a fairly compassionate person and am certainly not snooping for some sordid tabloid story... just wondering how it could have happened to such a young guy. And the fact that he had shared many details about his personal health & insurance issues makes many of us (well, I can't speak for others - so me) wonder if his passing was somehow related. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brianjeremy Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Coroner: Ex-Wilco guitarist Bennett overdosed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shakespeare In The Alley Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Coroner: Ex-Wilco guitarist Bennett overdosedWow...Sad news. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
conezone Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 just read this and didnt know if it should get it's own thread since not everyone has been checking into here. so sad.. my sister and i were just saying yesterday that we thought this might have been the cause because of jay's struggles with the hip pain. adding to the sadness is that jay was on the path to surgery and recovery. RIP jay... miss you everytime i listen to being there, summerteeth, and YHF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Before this discussion really takes off, I'm going to put it out there that about once or twice a year for as long as I've been aware, a celebrity dies of an accidental fentanyl overdose. Add the unreported instances in the general population, and I think it's fair to say we do not need to start ascribing any motives to Jay's cause of death. We weren't there, we're not him, and what happened to him is terribly tragic, but not uncommon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
conezone Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 yeah and it's been well documented the type of pain that jay was dealing with.. so im hoping we can all just continue to admire and mourn jay.. and leave it at that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
In a little rowboat Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 having discussed this with my ER physician father, there are some interesting things to note about fentanyl...the drug is prescribed in a time release form only, either in a patch or a lozenge...fentanyl is up to 100 times as potent as morphine...the likehood of accidental overdose is not high in patients who follow doctor's orders because of the method of delivery, but has happened a few cases...people that have died almost always have used the illegally made version (powder), or abused the patch... pop says that prescribing fentanyl to someone with a past history of drug abuse is irresponsible unless constantly monitored, and it is not uncommon for such patients to either think they can handle mixing drug and/or alcohol with the script, or try to up a dosage, and that fentanyl skin patches should only be used by patients who were already taking other narcotic painkillers that didnt help ease pain....while there's no telling what really happened, there is something deeply saddening about where Jay was before he passed, let alone now... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yankee Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 yeah and it's been well documented the type of pain that jay was dealing with.. so im hoping we can all just continue to admire and mourn jay.. and leave it at that.This whole situation really reminds me of how hard it is for musicians and other artists to get access to affordable health care. I worry a great deal about my musician friends who can't get insurance through an employer and can't afford to buy their own insurance plans. I've seen too many injuries and illnesses go untreated or get ignored until someone ends up at Cook County Hospital in the emergency room. I also have a close friend who struggles with his pain killer dosage for the pain from coping with stage 4 sarcoma. The cancer is in his muscles, liver, lungs, spine and bones and is breaking his bones. He is in his 20s and did not have health insurance when he was diagnosed. With severe pain, you need to go to the hospital at times to get help managing the proper dosage. Without health insurance, you might be forced to try to cope on your own. My friend is lucky that he has friends who work in the medical field and in social services. They helped him find ways to get access to medical care despite lacking coverage. He was put into clinical trials at a university hospital and gets good care. Accessing that sort of care is more difficult for a heath problem such as an injury or chronic pain. I guess my point is that this sort of sad situation is all too common due to the lack of access to affordable health care. Artists and young people often have no choice but to go without coverage and the results can be tragic. Does anyone know of a good charity that helps provide musicians with access to affordable health care? Perhaps a donation to such a fund would be a good way to honor Jay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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